[Sursound] Numinous3D headphone disco

Discussion:

Oliver Larkin

2017-11-03 11:58:00 UTC

Dear surr-sounders,

Please check out a website I made numinous3d.com <http://numinous3d.com/> where I have done a 3D mix of a friend's track (which is currently in the top 10 on beatport.com <http://beatport.com/> psychedelic trance section**). The website is and interactive VR experience which transports you to the SPIRAL studio at the University of Huddersfield, UK where I mixed the piece in HOA. It includes some fascinating visualisation of the HOA soundfield done with Blue Ripple Sound’s O3A Flare (thanks Richard!). Be warned that the website is a bit slow to load and works best on desktop chrome/firefox (recent version). it does work for me with my iphone and google cardboard when I have a decent internet connection*. It also works well on desktop windows with the HTC Vive in Firefox. On the website you will hear a two channel binaural mix that I have done by re-recording different elements of the HOA mix in the Applied Psychoacoustics Lab (APL) listening room using a Neumann KU100 dummy head, and mixing that with direct sound (kick & bass) and 5OA decoded to binaural, where the room impression from the KU100 didn't work.

You can also listen to that binaural mix on soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/olilarkin/pogo-sonicspecies-numinous-3d-binaural-mix <https://soundcloud.com/olilarkin/pogo-sonicspecies-numinous-3d-binaural-mix>

I've uploaded a 360 video version to both facebook and youtube, which both use head tracked binauralisers. There I am a bit less in control of the mix. It's interesting how different the bass and spatialisation sounds on facebook (where I've uploaded 2nd order Ambix audio) versus youtube (where I've uploaded 1st order Ambix audio)

Youtube 360 version:

http://youtu.be/qUTNqWWIF0k

Facebook 360 version: http://goo.gl/9kZG5V <http://goo.gl/9kZG5V>

If anyone would like the high quality, uncompressed versions of the binaural mix or 1OA -> 5OA files to play in your studio please contact me directly.

I'm very interested to hear your feedback on this. If you “like” it please do click the button on facebook / soundcloud / youtube!

best regards,

Oli Larkin

www.olilarkin.co.uk <http://www.olilarkin.co.uk/>

* the music is 8 minutes long and is supplied as stereo track in a webm/mp4 video file. the video file is ~20 mb (webm) / ~40mb (mp4) . Originally I wanted to include options to render head tracked binaural on the website using omnitone.js, but I wasn’t able to implement that at this stage. What I really should do is do the visualisation as a shader thus losing the video, and meaning that 8 minutes of 16 channel TOA is reasonable.

** https://www.beatport.com/release/numinous/2132630 <https://www.beatport.com/release/numinous/2132630>
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Augustine Leudar

2017-11-03 15:27:23 UTC

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looks and sounds great Oli its nice to see the technology used for other
experimental genres and not just electroacoustic music :) We've been doing
quite a bit of 3D audio techno, ambient and dub this year at festivals and
events - its going down amazingly well (especially live!) - maybe we should
organise an event together.....

Post by Oliver Larkin
Dear surr-sounders,
Please check out a website I made numinous3d.com <http://numinous3d.com/>
where I have done a 3D mix of a friend's track (which is currently in the
top 10 on beatport.com <http://beatport.com/> psychedelic trance
section**). The website is and interactive VR experience which transports
you to the SPIRAL studio at the University of Huddersfield, UK where I
mixed the piece in HOA. It includes some fascinating visualisation of the
HOA soundfield done with Blue Ripple Sound’s O3A Flare (thanks Richard!).
Be warned that the website is a bit slow to load and works best on desktop
chrome/firefox (recent version). it does work for me with my iphone and
google cardboard when I have a decent internet connection*. It also works
well on desktop windows with the HTC Vive in Firefox. On the website you
will hear a two channel binaural mix that I have done by re-recording
different elements of the HOA mix in the Applied Psychoacoustics Lab (APL)
listening room using a Neumann KU100 dummy head, and mixing that with
direct sound (kick & bass) and 5OA decoded to binaural, where the room
impression from the KU100 didn't work.
https://soundcloud.com/olilarkin/pogo-sonicspecies-
numinous-3d-binaural-mix <https://soundcloud.com/
olilarkin/pogo-sonicspecies-numinous-3d-binaural-mix>
I've uploaded a 360 video version to both facebook and youtube, which both
use head tracked binauralisers. There I am a bit less in control of the
mix. It's interesting how different the bass and spatialisation sounds on
facebook (where I've uploaded 2nd order Ambix audio) versus youtube (where
I've uploaded 1st order Ambix audio)
Youtube 360 version: http://youtu.be/qUTNqWWIF0k <
http://youtu.be/qUTNqWWIF0k
Facebook 360 version: http://goo.gl/9kZG5V <http://goo.gl/9kZG5V>
If anyone would like the high quality, uncompressed versions of the
binaural mix or 1OA -> 5OA files to play in your studio please contact me
directly.
I'm very interested to hear your feedback on this. If you “like” it please
do click the button on facebook / soundcloud / youtube!
best regards,
Oli Larkin
www.olilarkin.co.uk <http://www.olilarkin.co.uk/>
* the music is 8 minutes long and is supplied as stereo track in a
webm/mp4 video file. the video file is ~20 mb (webm) / ~40mb (mp4) .
Originally I wanted to include options to render head tracked binaural on
the website using omnitone.js, but I wasn’t able to implement that at this
stage. What I really should do is do the visualisation as a shader thus
losing the video, and meaning that 8 minutes of 16 channel TOA is
reasonable.
** https://www.beatport.com/release/numinous/2132630 <
https://www.beatport.com/release/numinous/2132630>
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Augustine Leudar

2017-11-03 15:35:16 UTC

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In terms of the binaural effect - I liked the the way the localisation of
sounds changes as you moved the image around (didnt realise that it did
that till half way through). However I only really got the ILDs and ITDs an
no sense of height no doubt due to the well known issues surround
individual HRTFs - and my ears a bit of a weird shape anyway.....

Post by Augustine Leudar
looks and sounds great Oli its nice to see the technology used for other
experimental genres and not just electroacoustic music :) We've been doing
quite a bit of 3D audio techno, ambient and dub this year at festivals and
events - its going down amazingly well (especially live!) - maybe we should
organise an event together.....

Post by Oliver Larkin
Dear surr-sounders,
Please check out a website I made numinous3d.com <http://numinous3d.com/>
where I have done a 3D mix of a friend's track (which is currently in the
top 10 on beatport.com <http://beatport.com/> psychedelic trance
section**). The website is and interactive VR experience which transports
you to the SPIRAL studio at the University of Huddersfield, UK where I
mixed the piece in HOA. It includes some fascinating visualisation of the
HOA soundfield done with Blue Ripple Sound’s O3A Flare (thanks Richard!).
Be warned that the website is a bit slow to load and works best on desktop
chrome/firefox (recent version). it does work for me with my iphone and
google cardboard when I have a decent internet connection*. It also works
well on desktop windows with the HTC Vive in Firefox. On the website you
will hear a two channel binaural mix that I have done by re-recording
different elements of the HOA mix in the Applied Psychoacoustics Lab (APL)
listening room using a Neumann KU100 dummy head, and mixing that with
direct sound (kick & bass) and 5OA decoded to binaural, where the room
impression from the KU100 didn't work.
https://soundcloud.com/olilarkin/pogo-sonicspecies-numinous-
3d-binaural-mix <https://soundcloud.com/olilar
kin/pogo-sonicspecies-numinous-3d-binaural-mix>
I've uploaded a 360 video version to both facebook and youtube, which
both use head tracked binauralisers. There I am a bit less in control of
the mix. It's interesting how different the bass and spatialisation sounds
on facebook (where I've uploaded 2nd order Ambix audio) versus youtube
(where I've uploaded 1st order Ambix audio)
Youtube 360 version: http://youtu.be/qUTNqWWIF0k <
http://youtu.be/qUTNqWWIF0k
Facebook 360 version: http://goo.gl/9kZG5V <http://goo.gl/9kZG5V>
If anyone would like the high quality, uncompressed versions of the
binaural mix or 1OA -> 5OA files to play in your studio please contact me
directly.
I'm very interested to hear your feedback on this. If you “like” it
please do click the button on facebook / soundcloud / youtube!
best regards,
Oli Larkin
www.olilarkin.co.uk <http://www.olilarkin.co.uk/>
* the music is 8 minutes long and is supplied as stereo track in a
webm/mp4 video file. the video file is ~20 mb (webm) / ~40mb (mp4) .
Originally I wanted to include options to render head tracked binaural on
the website using omnitone.js, but I wasn’t able to implement that at this
stage. What I really should do is do the visualisation as a shader thus
losing the video, and meaning that 8 minutes of 16 channel TOA is
reasonable.
** https://www.beatport.com/release/numinous/2132630 <
https://www.beatport.com/release/numinous/2132630>
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Augustine Leudar

2017-11-03 15:46:29 UTC

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PS of the 3 I think the youtube one spatialised best for me - hard to tell
with the facebook on as it had problems loading - but the youtube version
seemed to work better for me than the website version - not sure why that
should be.

Post by Augustine Leudar
In terms of the binaural effect - I liked the the way the localisation of
sounds changes as you moved the image around (didnt realise that it did
that till half way through). However I only really got the ILDs and ITDs an
no sense of height no doubt due to the well known issues surround
individual HRTFs - and my ears a bit of a weird shape anyway.....

Post by Oliver Larkin
Dear surr-sounders,
Please check out a website I made numinous3d.com <http://numinous3d.com/>
where I have done a 3D mix of a friend's track (which is currently in the
top 10 on beatport.com <http://beatport.com/> psychedelic trance
section**). The website is and interactive VR experience which transports
you to the SPIRAL studio at the University of Huddersfield, UK where I
mixed the piece in HOA. It includes some fascinating visualisation of the
HOA soundfield done with Blue Ripple Sound’s O3A Flare (thanks Richard!).
Be warned that the website is a bit slow to load and works best on desktop
chrome/firefox (recent version). it does work for me with my iphone and
google cardboard when I have a decent internet connection*. It also works
well on desktop windows with the HTC Vive in Firefox. On the website you
will hear a two channel binaural mix that I have done by re-recording
different elements of the HOA mix in the Applied Psychoacoustics Lab (APL)
listening room using a Neumann KU100 dummy head, and mixing that with
direct sound (kick & bass) and 5OA decoded to binaural, where the room
impression from the KU100 didn't work.
https://soundcloud.com/olilarkin/pogo-sonicspecies-numinous-
3d-binaural-mix <https://soundcloud.com/olilar
kin/pogo-sonicspecies-numinous-3d-binaural-mix>
I've uploaded a 360 video version to both facebook and youtube, which
both use head tracked binauralisers. There I am a bit less in control of
the mix. It's interesting how different the bass and spatialisation sounds
on facebook (where I've uploaded 2nd order Ambix audio) versus youtube
(where I've uploaded 1st order Ambix audio)
Youtube 360 version: http://youtu.be/qUTNqWWIF0k <
http://youtu.be/qUTNqWWIF0k
Facebook 360 version: http://goo.gl/9kZG5V <http://goo.gl/9kZG5V>
If anyone would like the high quality, uncompressed versions of the
binaural mix or 1OA -> 5OA files to play in your studio please contact me
directly.
I'm very interested to hear your feedback on this. If you “like” it
please do click the button on facebook / soundcloud / youtube!
best regards,
Oli Larkin
www.olilarkin.co.uk <http://www.olilarkin.co.uk/>
* the music is 8 minutes long and is supplied as stereo track in a
webm/mp4 video file. the video file is ~20 mb (webm) / ~40mb (mp4) .
Originally I wanted to include options to render head tracked binaural on
the website using omnitone.js, but I wasn’t able to implement that at this
stage. What I really should do is do the visualisation as a shader thus
losing the video, and meaning that 8 minutes of 16 channel TOA is
reasonable.
** https://www.beatport.com/release/numinous/2132630 <
https://www.beatport.com/release/numinous/2132630>
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Oliver Larkin

2017-11-03 19:11:38 UTC

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thanks gus, glad you like it! i’d still like to hear that spatial dub…

to me the bass sounds unpleasant on FB360, and I don’t get much benefit from it being 2nd order. I prefer youtube. The binaural dummy head sounds most externalised, but i have sat in the spot where it was recorded and listened on nice open back headphones. It’s amazing how listening in different environments i can easily loose the externalisation.

I think omnitone.js will let me use my own KU100 HRIRs measured in the space so that might be the way forward, once i can integrate that in the web version

oli

Post by Augustine Leudar
PS of the 3 I think the youtube one spatialised best for me - hard to tell
with the facebook on as it had problems loading - but the youtube version
seemed to work better for me than the website version - not sure why that
should be.

Post by Oliver Larkin
Dear surr-sounders,
Please check out a website I made numinous3d.com <http://numinous3d.com/>
where I have done a 3D mix of a friend's track (which is currently in the
top 10 on beatport.com <http://beatport.com/> psychedelic trance
section**). The website is and interactive VR experience which transports
you to the SPIRAL studio at the University of Huddersfield, UK where I
mixed the piece in HOA. It includes some fascinating visualisation of the
HOA soundfield done with Blue Ripple Sound’s O3A Flare (thanks Richard!).
Be warned that the website is a bit slow to load and works best on desktop
chrome/firefox (recent version). it does work for me with my iphone and
google cardboard when I have a decent internet connection*. It also works
well on desktop windows with the HTC Vive in Firefox. On the website you
will hear a two channel binaural mix that I have done by re-recording
different elements of the HOA mix in the Applied Psychoacoustics Lab (APL)
listening room using a Neumann KU100 dummy head, and mixing that with
direct sound (kick & bass) and 5OA decoded to binaural, where the room
impression from the KU100 didn't work.
https://soundcloud.com/olilarkin/pogo-sonicspecies-numinous-
3d-binaural-mix <https://soundcloud.com/olilar
kin/pogo-sonicspecies-numinous-3d-binaural-mix>
I've uploaded a 360 video version to both facebook and youtube, which
both use head tracked binauralisers. There I am a bit less in control of
the mix. It's interesting how different the bass and spatialisation sounds
on facebook (where I've uploaded 2nd order Ambix audio) versus youtube
(where I've uploaded 1st order Ambix audio)
Youtube 360 version: http://youtu.be/qUTNqWWIF0k <
http://youtu.be/qUTNqWWIF0k
Facebook 360 version: http://goo.gl/9kZG5V <http://goo.gl/9kZG5V>
If anyone would like the high quality, uncompressed versions of the
binaural mix or 1OA -> 5OA files to play in your studio please contact me
directly.
I'm very interested to hear your feedback on this. If you “like” it
please do click the button on facebook / soundcloud / youtube!
best regards,
Oli Larkin
www.olilarkin.co.uk <http://www.olilarkin.co.uk/>
* the music is 8 minutes long and is supplied as stereo track in a
webm/mp4 video file. the video file is ~20 mb (webm) / ~40mb (mp4) .
Originally I wanted to include options to render head tracked binaural on
the website using omnitone.js, but I wasn’t able to implement that at this
stage. What I really should do is do the visualisation as a shader thus
losing the video, and meaning that 8 minutes of 16 channel TOA is
reasonable.
** https://www.beatport.com/release/numinous/2132630 <
https://www.beatport.com/release/numinous/2132630>
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Stefan Schreiber

2017-11-04 17:56:58 UTC

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Post by Oliver Larkin
thanks gus, glad you like it! i’d still like to hear that spatial dub…
to me the bass sounds unpleasant on FB360, and I don’t get much benefit from it being 2nd order. I prefer youtube. The binaural dummy head sounds most externalised, but i have sat in the spot where it was recorded and listened on nice open back headphones. It’s amazing how listening in different environments i can easily loose the externalisation.
I think omnitone.js will let me use my own KU100 HRIRs measured in the space so that might be the way forward, once i can integrate that in the web version
oli

Hi Oli...

Omnitone uses 256-tap HRIRs, which are HRTFs. An Ambisonics recording
would already include hall ambience - but Omnitone HRIRs don't include
any hall response.

You would like to record KU100 < BRIRs >. So you would have to change
Omnitone's renderer to allow long HRIRs= BRIRs

I don't say things can't be done in this way - but you would have to
spend a lot of effort.

BR

Stefan