Discussion:
Does "gravure universelle" (universal engraving) mean Ambisonic?
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Martin Leese
2018-05-30 16:13:35 UTC
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Hi All,

There is an used LP on offer on eBay which
is described as Ambisonic, but which is not
included in the UHJ Discography. The LP is
on the Erato label, STU 70221. The cover
says the LP is "gravure universelle", which
Google translate says means "universal
engraving". Is this LP Ambisonic?

The LP is on offer here:
https://www.ebay.ca/i/153041669368

The UHJ Discography is available here:
http://www.surrounddiscography.com/

Many thanks,
Martin
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Michael Dunn
2018-05-30 16:22:01 UTC
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I’m not aware that Erato ever produced UHJ. Gravure universelle appears on many/most/all of their recordings… I’ve never grokked its significance.



But, generally speaking, I do like Erato. I’m contemplating their 50 CD box set…







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Hi All,



There is an used LP on offer on eBay which

is described as Ambisonic, but which is not

included in the UHJ Discography. The LP is

on the Erato label, STU 70221. The cover

says the LP is "gravure universelle", which

Google translate says means "universal

engraving". Is this LP Ambisonic?



The LP is on offer here:

https://www.ebay.ca/i/153041669368



The UHJ Discography is available here:

http://www.surrounddiscography.com/



Many thanks,

Martin
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E-mail: martin.leese stanfordalumni.org

Web: http://members.tripod.com/martin_leese/

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Goran Finnberg mastering@telia.com
2018-05-30 16:59:27 UTC
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Erato "gravure universelle"
"Gravure universelle" was used during part of the 60´s
to describe a Stereo LP disk as being compatible
with playback using a mono cartridge.

This used the elliptical filter in the Neumann cutter
set to 300 Hz.

Then all Stereo information below 300 Hz was mono.

Thus there were no 45/45° or vertical cutter movement
for out of polarity information below 300 Hz.

And it was claimed that this type of cut was playable
using a mono cartridge.

It came into use for a couple of years after the record
companies stopped supplying mono and stereo LP
versions of their records.

My own thoughts is that this type of record had some part
of the grooves mangled by the mono cartridges being totallly
rigid in the 45/45° and vertical direction but played with lots
more distortion than necessary.

But that is history now.


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Michael Dunn
2018-05-31 13:09:09 UTC
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Ah yes…of course :-)   Though my latest Erato LP is from 1979, and it still says Gravure Universelle, just in case anyone out there still wasn’t sure, I guess.



md





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Subject: [Sursound] Does "gravure universelle" (universal engraving) mean Ambisonic?



"Gravure universelle" was used during part of the 60´s

to describe a Stereo LP disk as being compatible

with playback using a mono cartridge.

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David Pickett
2018-05-30 17:03:29 UTC
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It means "stereo compatible" (i.e. stereo recording, playable with a
compatible cartridge that has compliance in the vertical direction.)

https://www.analog-forum.de/wbboard/index.php?thread/8348-gravure-universelle-stereo-auch-mono-spielbar/

David
Post by Martin Leese
Hi All,
There is an used LP on offer on eBay which
is described as Ambisonic, but which is not
included in the UHJ Discography. The LP is
on the Erato label, STU 70221. The cover
says the LP is "gravure universelle", which
Google translate says means "universal
engraving". Is this LP Ambisonic?
https://www.ebay.ca/i/153041669368
http://www.surrounddiscography.com/
Many thanks,
Martin
--
Martin J Leese
E-mail: martin.leese stanfordalumni.org
Web: http://members.tripod.com/martin_leese/
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Dave Malham
2018-05-31 12:32:41 UTC
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In another list for a different version of the same LP, no mention is made
of Ambisonic (http://www.hornet.hr/HRec.asp?gAnr=3594). Has the seller on
EBay simply made a mistake or does he know something? Unfortunately the
images of the sleeves are not good enough on either site to read the notes.

Dave
Post by David Pickett
It means "stereo compatible" (i.e. stereo recording, playable with a
compatible cartridge that has compliance in the vertical direction.)
https://www.analog-forum.de/wbboard/index.php?thread/8348-gr
avure-universelle-stereo-auch-mono-spielbar/
David
Post by Martin Leese
Hi All,
There is an used LP on offer on eBay which
is described as Ambisonic, but which is not
included in the UHJ Discography. The LP is
on the Erato label, STU 70221. The cover
says the LP is "gravure universelle", which
Google translate says means "universal
engraving". Is this LP Ambisonic?
https://www.ebay.ca/i/153041669368
http://www.surrounddiscography.com/
Many thanks,
Martin
--
Martin J Leese
E-mail: martin.leese stanfordalumni.org
Web: http://members.tripod.com/martin_leese/
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