[Sursound] DIY 4d soundsystem

An interface suggestion might be a Motu 24ao with 3 Behringer ADA8200 adats
- that will give you 48 outs for around £1000. Somebody mentioned some
daisy-chainable firewire device recently which might wook out cheaper - but
I forget the make/model.....

Post by Matthew Palmer
hi group,
i am looking for any advice or suggestions about low-cost materials i could
use to build the columns of this 4d sound system <
http://demonicsweaters.com/2015/03/the-amazing-4d-sound-
system-is-a-nicola-tesla-inspired-fully-immersive-audio-experience/ >
i have bought 48 logitech z506's (https://www.logitech.com/en-
us/product/surround-sound-speaker-z506)and am working to construct a way to
mount the 5 speakers around the sub (any suggestions here are also
appreciated) & build 16 3-speaker high columns that can fit in the back of
a pick-up truck.
the design objective is minimal cost, safe, modular, optimized for ease-of
setup & travel.
*my recent proposal to a friend of a speaker stand to start & a custom PVC
structure to finish was deemed unsafe.
thanks for any help.
- matt
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Marc Lavallée

2017-05-17 12:45:02 UTC

Awesome project! Another audio interface suggestion: a TCP/IP network of
Raspberry Pis (or similar computers) with 5.1 USB modules (so one Pi
per 5.1 surround system). The Pis would be interfaced with netJACK2
with the Opus codec. Not tested...
--
Marc

On Wed, 17 May 2017 12:41:41 +0100

Post by Augustine Leudar
An interface suggestion might be a Motu 24ao with 3 Behringer ADA8200 adats
- that will give you 48 outs for around £1000. Somebody mentioned some
daisy-chainable firewire device recently which might wook out cheaper
- but I forget the make/model.....

Post by Matthew Palmer
hi group,
i am looking for any advice or suggestions about low-cost materials
i could use to build the columns of this 4d sound system <
http://demonicsweaters.com/2015/03/the-amazing-4d-sound-
system-is-a-nicola-tesla-inspired-fully-immersive-audio-experience/
i have bought 48 logitech z506's (https://www.logitech.com/en-
us/product/surround-sound-speaker-z506)and am working to construct a way to
mount the 5 speakers around the sub (any suggestions here are also
appreciated) & build 16 3-speaker high columns that can fit in the
back of a pick-up truck.
the design objective is minimal cost, safe, modular, optimized for
ease-of setup & travel.
*my recent proposal to a friend of a speaker stand to start & a
custom PVC structure to finish was deemed unsafe.
thanks for any help.
- matt
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Richard Foss

2017-05-17 20:49:44 UTC

Another reasonably priced possibility is to set up an Ethernet AVB network. For 48 speakers one could use 6 x N-DAC8s ($299 each) from miniDSP together with two MOTU AVB switches. miniDSP have also recently come out with a PoE Ethernet AVB capable speaker. This allows for incremental expansion of the immersive sound system.

--
Professor Richard Foss
Computer Science Department
Rhodes University
Grahamstown 6140
South Africa

Tel: +27 46 603 8294
Cell: +27 83 288 9354

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Augustine Leudar
Artistic Director Magik Door LTD
Company Number : NI635217
Registered 63 Ballycoan rd,
Belfast BT88LL
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Matthew Palmer

2017-05-17 21:48:19 UTC

wait, hold up... thank you! but ----

due mostly to financial circumstances & a lack of experience with anything
other than ⅛" or ¼" cables,
i am buying & daisy-chaining 6 presonus firestudio interfaces <
https://www.presonus.com/products/firestudio> (you can find for ~$150
usually) which will give me 48 ¼" input & output - i got the logitech z506
@ ~$45/each, the total is a little under $3,000, excluding cables & a rack
I'm still on the hunt for (for the interfaces) which made the endeavor seem
approachable so I've been saving up for the last few years.

my question to the group is about the process of building a version of the
'4d sound system' approach, specifically suggestion, advice, designs
regarding the 16 columns i need to build. i'd like to create a version i
can break down & fit in a pick-up truck. i was thinking something like
speaker stands & custom PVC architecture & mounts but i know there are way
smarter people than me on this listserv who might be able to help me save
money & build a safer, better rig.

I am awaiting the dimensions of the proto-rig but let's say bottom speaker
is 12" of the ground, mid = "54", top = 96"...
(reference:
http://demonicsweaters.com/2015/03/the-amazing-4d-sound-system-is-a-nicola-tesla-inspired-fully-immersive-audio-experience/
)

thanks again. - matt /

Post by Richard Foss
Another reasonably priced possibility is to set up an Ethernet AVB
network. For 48 speakers one could use 6 x N-DAC8s ($299 each) from miniDSP
together with two MOTU AVB switches. miniDSP have also recently come out
with a PoE Ethernet AVB capable speaker. This allows for incremental
expansion of the immersive sound system.
--
Professor Richard Foss
Computer Science Department
Rhodes University
Grahamstown 6140
South Africa
Tel: +27 46 603 8294
Cell: +27 83 288 9354

Post by Augustine Leudar
An interface suggestion might be a Motu 24ao with 3 Behringer ADA8200

adats

Post by Augustine Leudar
- that will give you 48 outs for around £1000. Somebody mentioned some
daisy-chainable firewire device recently which might wook out cheaper -

but

Post by Augustine Leudar
I forget the make/model.....

Post by Matthew Palmer
hi group,
i am looking for any advice or suggestions about low-cost materials i

could

Post by Matthew Palmer
use to build the columns of this 4d sound system <
http://demonicsweaters.com/2015/03/the-amazing-4d-sound-
system-is-a-nicola-tesla-inspired-fully-immersive-audio-experience/ >
i have bought 48 logitech z506's (https://www.logitech.com/en-
us/product/surround-sound-speaker-z506)and am working to construct a

way

Post by Matthew Palmer
to
mount the 5 speakers around the sub (any suggestions here are also
appreciated) & build 16 3-speaker high columns that can fit in the back

Post by Matthew Palmer
a pick-up truck.
the design objective is minimal cost, safe, modular, optimized for

ease-of

Post by Matthew Palmer
setup & travel.
*my recent proposal to a friend of a speaker stand to start & a custom

PVC

Post by Matthew Palmer
structure to finish was deemed unsafe.
thanks for any help.
- matt
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Augustine Leudar

2017-05-18 08:58:04 UTC

Ha its you ! I think you were the person who told me about the daisy -
chained firewire devices. Re putting the thing up - being the least DIYish
person in history I would not know other than to say have four on each
column, or even three, one at the top, one/two in the middle and one at the
bottom. As for how to mount them physically in a way that would satisfy a
risk assessment - I suspect this might be the wrong mailing list (no
offence fellas) best of luck and keep me in the loop - glad its progressing
- and dont call it 4D haha (marketing nonsense)

Post by Matthew Palmer
wait, hold up... thank you! but ----
due mostly to financial circumstances & a lack of experience with anything
other than ⅛" or ¼" cables,
i am buying & daisy-chaining 6 presonus firestudio interfaces <
https://www.presonus.com/products/firestudio> (you can find for ~$150
usually) which will give me 48 ¼" input & output - i got the logitech z506
@ ~$45/each, the total is a little under $3,000, excluding cables & a rack
I'm still on the hunt for (for the interfaces) which made the endeavor seem
approachable so I've been saving up for the last few years.
my question to the group is about the process of building a version of the
'4d sound system' approach, specifically suggestion, advice, designs
regarding the 16 columns i need to build. i'd like to create a version i
can break down & fit in a pick-up truck. i was thinking something like
speaker stands & custom PVC architecture & mounts but i know there are way
smarter people than me on this listserv who might be able to help me save
money & build a safer, better rig.
I am awaiting the dimensions of the proto-rig but let's say bottom speaker
is 12" of the ground, mid = "54", top = 96"...
http://demonicsweaters.com/2015/03/the-amazing-4d-sound-
system-is-a-nicola-tesla-inspired-fully-immersive-audio-experience/
)
thanks again. - matt /

Post by Richard Foss
Another reasonably priced possibility is to set up an Ethernet AVB
network. For 48 speakers one could use 6 x N-DAC8s ($299 each) from

miniDSP

Post by Richard Foss
together with two MOTU AVB switches. miniDSP have also recently come out
with a PoE Ethernet AVB capable speaker. This allows for incremental
expansion of the immersive sound system.
--
Professor Richard Foss
Computer Science Department
Rhodes University
Grahamstown 6140
South Africa
Tel: +27 46 603 8294
Cell: +27 83 288 9354

On 17 May 2017, at 1:41 PM, Augustine Leudar <
An interface suggestion might be a Motu 24ao with 3 Behringer ADA8200

adats

- that will give you 48 outs for around £1000. Somebody mentioned some
daisy-chainable firewire device recently which might wook out cheaper -

but

I forget the make/model.....

Post by Matthew Palmer
hi group,
i am looking for any advice or suggestions about low-cost materials i

could

way

Post by Matthew Palmer
to
mount the 5 speakers around the sub (any suggestions here are also
appreciated) & build 16 3-speaker high columns that can fit in the

back

Post by Richard Foss
of

Post by Matthew Palmer
a pick-up truck.
the design objective is minimal cost, safe, modular, optimized for

ease-of

Post by Matthew Palmer
setup & travel.
*my recent proposal to a friend of a speaker stand to start & a custom

PVC

here,

Post by Matthew Palmer
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Augustine Leudar

2017-05-18 08:59:38 UTC

Having said this we are doing a spatial audio zone in a festival this year
where we boast of "5D" audio ....

Post by Augustine Leudar
Ha its you ! I think you were the person who told me about the daisy -
chained firewire devices. Re putting the thing up - being the least DIYish
person in history I would not know other than to say have four on each
column, or even three, one at the top, one/two in the middle and one at the
bottom. As for how to mount them physically in a way that would satisfy a
risk assessment - I suspect this might be the wrong mailing list (no
offence fellas) best of luck and keep me in the loop - glad its progressing
- and dont call it 4D haha (marketing nonsense)

Post by Matthew Palmer
wait, hold up... thank you! but ----
due mostly to financial circumstances & a lack of experience with anything
other than ⅛" or ¼" cables,
i am buying & daisy-chaining 6 presonus firestudio interfaces <
https://www.presonus.com/products/firestudio> (you can find for ~$150
usually) which will give me 48 ¼" input & output - i got the logitech z506
@ ~$45/each, the total is a little under $3,000, excluding cables & a rack
I'm still on the hunt for (for the interfaces) which made the endeavor seem
approachable so I've been saving up for the last few years.
my question to the group is about the process of building a version of the
'4d sound system' approach, specifically suggestion, advice, designs
regarding the 16 columns i need to build. i'd like to create a version i
can break down & fit in a pick-up truck. i was thinking something like
speaker stands & custom PVC architecture & mounts but i know there are way
smarter people than me on this listserv who might be able to help me save
money & build a safer, better rig.
I am awaiting the dimensions of the proto-rig but let's say bottom speaker
is 12" of the ground, mid = "54", top = 96"...
http://demonicsweaters.com/2015/03/the-amazing-4d-sound-syst
em-is-a-nicola-tesla-inspired-fully-immersive-audio-experience/
)
thanks again. - matt /

Post by Richard Foss
Another reasonably priced possibility is to set up an Ethernet AVB
network. For 48 speakers one could use 6 x N-DAC8s ($299 each) from

miniDSP

On 17 May 2017, at 1:41 PM, Augustine Leudar <
An interface suggestion might be a Motu 24ao with 3 Behringer ADA8200

adats

- that will give you 48 outs for around £1000. Somebody mentioned some
daisy-chainable firewire device recently which might wook out cheaper

Post by Richard Foss
but

I forget the make/model.....

Post by Matthew Palmer
hi group,
i am looking for any advice or suggestions about low-cost materials i

could

Post by Matthew Palmer
use to build the columns of this 4d sound system <
http://demonicsweaters.com/2015/03/the-amazing-4d-sound-
system-is-a-nicola-tesla-inspired-fully-immersive-audio-experience/
i have bought 48 logitech z506's (https://www.logitech.com/en-
us/product/surround-sound-speaker-z506)and am working to construct a

way

Post by Matthew Palmer
to
mount the 5 speakers around the sub (any suggestions here are also
appreciated) & build 16 3-speaker high columns that can fit in the

back

Post by Richard Foss
of

Post by Matthew Palmer
a pick-up truck.
the design objective is minimal cost, safe, modular, optimized for

ease-of

Post by Matthew Palmer
setup & travel.
*my recent proposal to a friend of a speaker stand to start & a

custom

Post by Richard Foss
PVC

here,

Post by Matthew Palmer
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Company Number : NI635217
Registered 63 Ballycoan rd,
Belfast BT88LL

Augustine Leudar

2017-05-18 09:10:58 UTC

I dont think precise measurements will matter to much - but should keep
speakers should be equidistant vertically (and horizontally) -the debate
would be - should you have one at ear height as that one could appear
louder than the others.... I would think you should have one at ear height
- so whos ear height is the next question . Id say put one around 5'10 up
the poles - that should approximate average height. Space the rest
equidistantly ....

Post by Augustine Leudar
Having said this we are doing a spatial audio zone in a festival this year
where we boast of "5D" audio ....

Post by Matthew Palmer
wait, hold up... thank you! but ----
due mostly to financial circumstances & a lack of experience with anything
other than ⅛" or ¼" cables,
i am buying & daisy-chaining 6 presonus firestudio interfaces <
https://www.presonus.com/products/firestudio> (you can find for ~$150
usually) which will give me 48 ¼" input & output - i got the logitech z506
@ ~$45/each, the total is a little under $3,000, excluding cables & a rack
I'm still on the hunt for (for the interfaces) which made the endeavor seem
approachable so I've been saving up for the last few years.
my question to the group is about the process of building a version of the
'4d sound system' approach, specifically suggestion, advice, designs
regarding the 16 columns i need to build. i'd like to create a version i
can break down & fit in a pick-up truck. i was thinking something like
speaker stands & custom PVC architecture & mounts but i know there are way
smarter people than me on this listserv who might be able to help me save
money & build a safer, better rig.
I am awaiting the dimensions of the proto-rig but let's say bottom speaker
is 12" of the ground, mid = "54", top = 96"...
http://demonicsweaters.com/2015/03/the-amazing-4d-sound-syst
em-is-a-nicola-tesla-inspired-fully-immersive-audio-experience/
)
thanks again. - matt /

Post by Richard Foss
Another reasonably priced possibility is to set up an Ethernet AVB
network. For 48 speakers one could use 6 x N-DAC8s ($299 each) from

miniDSP

Post by Richard Foss
together with two MOTU AVB switches. miniDSP have also recently come

out

Post by Richard Foss
with a PoE Ethernet AVB capable speaker. This allows for incremental
expansion of the immersive sound system.
--
Professor Richard Foss
Computer Science Department
Rhodes University
Grahamstown 6140
South Africa
Tel: +27 46 603 8294
Cell: +27 83 288 9354

On 17 May 2017, at 1:41 PM, Augustine Leudar <
An interface suggestion might be a Motu 24ao with 3 Behringer ADA8200

adats

- that will give you 48 outs for around £1000. Somebody mentioned

some

daisy-chainable firewire device recently which might wook out

cheaper -

Post by Richard Foss
but

I forget the make/model.....

Post by Matthew Palmer
hi group,
i am looking for any advice or suggestions about low-cost materials

Post by Richard Foss
could

Post by Matthew Palmer
use to build the columns of this 4d sound system <
http://demonicsweaters.com/2015/03/the-amazing-4d-sound-
system-is-a-nicola-tesla-inspired-fully-immersive-audio-experience/
i have bought 48 logitech z506's (https://www.logitech.com/en-
us/product/surround-sound-speaker-z506)and am working to construct

Post by Richard Foss
way

Post by Matthew Palmer
to
mount the 5 speakers around the sub (any suggestions here are also
appreciated) & build 16 3-speaker high columns that can fit in the

back

Post by Richard Foss
of

Post by Matthew Palmer
a pick-up truck.
the design objective is minimal cost, safe, modular, optimized for

ease-of

Post by Matthew Palmer
setup & travel.
*my recent proposal to a friend of a speaker stand to start & a

custom

Post by Richard Foss
PVC

here,