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Rode - A/B Format trademark?
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Phi Shu
2018-09-15 17:25:58 UTC
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Noticed Rode are using a little 'TM' now as in A-Format™, B-Format™

see in the specs for the Soundfield plug-in:
https://www.rode.com/soundfieldplugin#footer_download

Surely not something that can be granted considering the terms have been
widely used for decades?
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Paul Hodges
2018-09-15 17:42:32 UTC
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Post by Phi Shu
Surely not something that can be granted considering the terms have
been widely used for decades?
Trademark rules are far from obvious. Microsoft trademarked the word
"bookshelf" at one point.

But I can't see what they think they gain by doing it anyway...

Paul
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Garry Margolis
2018-09-16 00:32:31 UTC
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I’m not a lawyer, but my understanding is that under USA law, anyone can claim a trademark, but this particular claim wouldn’t be defensible because of its prior general usage.

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Post by Phi Shu
Surely not something that can be granted considering the terms have
been widely used for decades?
Trademark rules are far from obvious. Microsoft trademarked the word
"bookshelf" at one point.
But I can't see what they think they gain by doing it anyway...
Paul
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David Pickett
2018-09-16 07:04:13 UTC
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But arent Rode in Australia, anyway?

DAavid
I’m not a lawyer, but my understanding is that under USA law, anyone
can claim a trademark, but this particular claim wouldn’t be
defensible because of its prior general usage.
Garry
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Post by Phi Shu
Surely not something that can be granted considering the terms have
been widely used for decades?
Trademark rules are far from obvious. Microsoft trademarked the word
"bookshelf" at one point.
But I can't see what they think they gain by doing it anyway...
Paul
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Augustine Leudar
2018-09-16 08:56:34 UTC
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Trademarks can be unenforceable in the Uk if you can show prior usage.
Don’t know about Australia. It’s annoying though.
Post by David Pickett
But arent Rode in Australia, anyway?
DAavid
I’m not a lawyer, but my understanding is that under USA law, anyone
can claim a trademark, but this particular claim wouldn’t be
defensible because of its prior general usage.
Garry
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Post by Paul Hodges
Post by Phi Shu
Surely not something that can be granted considering the terms have
been widely used for decades?
Trademark rules are far from obvious. Microsoft trademarked the word
"bookshelf" at one point.
But I can't see what they think they gain by doing it anyway...
Paul
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Dave Malham
2018-09-16 13:10:26 UTC
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The trademark claims are 3 decades after the first public usage of the
terms in MAG's mic paper in the London AES convention and MAG's and Peter
Fellget's articles in Studio Sound, so I think prior use is just a bit on
the well established side....

Dave
Post by Augustine Leudar
Trademarks can be unenforceable in the Uk if you can show prior usage.
Don’t know about Australia. It’s annoying though.
Post by David Pickett
But arent Rode in Australia, anyway?
DAavid
I’m not a lawyer, but my understanding is that under USA law, anyone
can claim a trademark, but this particular claim wouldn’t be
defensible because of its prior general usage.
Garry
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Garry Margolis
Post by Paul Hodges
Post by Phi Shu
Surely not something that can be granted considering the terms have
been widely used for decades?
Trademark rules are far from obvious. Microsoft trademarked the word
"bookshelf" at one point.
But I can't see what they think they gain by doing it anyway...
Paul
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Paul Hodges
2018-09-16 09:17:18 UTC
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Post by Phi Shu
Noticed Rode are using a little 'TM' now as in A-Format™,
B-Format™
SoundField invented the ambisonic microphone, A-Format and B-Format
Umm, I wonder what those other guys did, then...

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Phi Shu
2018-09-16 11:04:11 UTC
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well, looks like it's legitimate and that they are going to try and protect
IP bought from Soundfield.

In the UK A&B-Format are registered trademarks that were owned by
Soundfield:

B-Format (2004) :
https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/4/EU002727022
A-Format (2007) :
https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/4/EU005348602

Interestingly, Nimbus Records had trademarked Ambisonic but it's now dead:
https://ipo.gov.uk/trademark/history/GB50000000001500177.pdf
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Post by Phi Shu
Surely not something that can be granted considering the terms have
been widely used for decades?
Trademark rules are far from obvious. Microsoft trademarked the word
"bookshelf" at one point.
But I can't see what they think they gain by doing it anyway...
Paul
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