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Drew Kirkland
2018-08-10 18:22:32 UTC
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Hi guys

We have recently decided to record nature in ambisonic format with a
additional specific mono and stereo recordings added in at edit stage.

I would be interested in current ambisonic mic choice, we don't have loads
of cash but want to get as transparent a sound field as possible.

We have all had experience over the last 30 years or so of using standard
mics and have our favourites for particular situations but have never had
experience of usi g ambisonic mics and relevant field recorders.

Advice welcome

Drew





Drew Kirkland
1 campbleton cottage
Hunterston Estate
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Søren Bendixen
2018-08-10 18:37:09 UTC
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Hi
I´m in the same situation, want to record nature (and other things) in ambisonics. and I have no experience - and waiting for the new Røde(Rode) NT- SF1 - I will be just below 1000 USD
Røde took over Soundfield and then bought some knowledge about Ambisonics equipment and this microphone would be the result ... In Denmark, for example, Sennheiser ambeo costs around 1900 usd
They announced the NT - SF1 almost 6 months ago - so..

BR
Søren Bendixen
> Den 10. aug. 2018 kl. 20.22 skrev Drew Kirkland <***@gmail.com>:
>
> Hi guys
>
> We have recently decided to record nature in ambisonic format with a
> additional specific mono and stereo recordings added in at edit stage.
>
> I would be interested in current ambisonic mic choice, we don't have loads
> of cash but want to get as transparent a sound field as possible.
>
> We have all had experience over the last 30 years or so of using standard
> mics and have our favourites for particular situations but have never had
> experience of usi g ambisonic mics and relevant field recorders.
>
> Advice welcome
>
> Drew
>
>
>
>
>
> Drew Kirkland
> 1 campbleton cottage
> Hunterston Estate
> KA23 9QF
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Med venlig hilsen/Best regards

Søren Bendixen
Composer/Sound Designer/Producer

Company: Audiotect

New Exhibition sound design " På Djengis Khans stepper - Mongoliets Nomader",
- Moesgaard Museum, 19 june 2018 - 7 april 2019
- National Museum of Denmark: From june 2019

Jyllandsposten: 5 (out of 6) Stars: “The illusion of a railroad journey is underpinned by the sceneries that stand outside the windows. Sound and image are in exemplary harmony, which is just as consistent
completed when you attend the exhibition. the room is generally enhanced by a rather fascinating sound design” (22 juni 2018)



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Bo-Erik Sandholm
2018-08-11 06:51:52 UTC
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I have "test" a recording of birds in a Nordic summer night.
Recorded with core-sound tetra mic using Tascam dr680

Bo-Erik

On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 20:37 Søren Bendixen, <***@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
> I´m in the same situation, want to record nature (and other things) in
> ambisonics. and I have no experience - and waiting for the new Røde(Rode)
> NT- SF1 - I will be just below 1000 USD
> Røde took over Soundfield and then bought some knowledge about Ambisonics
> equipment and this microphone would be the result ... In Denmark, for
> example, Sennheiser ambeo costs around 1900 usd
> They announced the NT - SF1 almost 6 months ago - so..
>
> BR
> Søren Bendixen
> > Den 10. aug. 2018 kl. 20.22 skrev Drew Kirkland <***@gmail.com>:
> >
> > Hi guys
> >
> > We have recently decided to record nature in ambisonic format with a
> > additional specific mono and stereo recordings added in at edit stage.
> >
> > I would be interested in current ambisonic mic choice, we don't have
> loads
> > of cash but want to get as transparent a sound field as possible.
> >
> > We have all had experience over the last 30 years or so of using standard
> > mics and have our favourites for particular situations but have never had
> > experience of usi g ambisonic mics and relevant field recorders.
> >
> > Advice welcome
> >
> > Drew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Drew Kirkland
> > 1 campbleton cottage
> > Hunterston Estate
> > KA23 9QF
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> Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
>
> Søren Bendixen
> Composer/Sound Designer/Producer
>
> Company: Audiotect
>
> New Exhibition sound design " På Djengis Khans stepper - Mongoliets
> Nomader",
> - Moesgaard Museum, 19 june 2018 - 7 april 2019
> - National Museum of Denmark: From june 2019
>
> Jyllandsposten: 5 (out of 6) Stars: “The illusion of a railroad journey is
> underpinned by the sceneries that stand outside the windows. Sound and
> image are in exemplary harmony, which is just as consistent
> completed when you attend the exhibition. the room is generally enhanced
> by a rather fascinating sound design” (22 juni 2018)
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Phillip Westbrook
2018-08-11 15:38:28 UTC
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I will state that after having used the Octomic next to an SPS200 I very pleased with the Octomic! Tonally the SPS200 is more musical and is my go to for recording VR musical performances but the Octomic is a good bit more detailed in its sound field and clearer with transients thus likely being a better candidate for ambiance. Here is a test I did a while back comparing the two. My suspicion is that the SPS200 could be improved with a calibrated A-to-B Format converter (example decoded using Harpex-X).

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/clpojnqbmox8ssi/AADMel8S0uCn5-G2KV6sJTeGa?dl=0

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> On Aug 11, 2018, at 1:51 AM, Bo-Erik Sandholm <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have "test" a recording of birds in a Nordic summer night.
> Recorded with core-sound tetra mic using Tascam dr680
>
> Bo-Erik
>
>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 20:37 Søren Bendixen, <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>> I´m in the same situation, want to record nature (and other things) in
>> ambisonics. and I have no experience - and waiting for the new Røde(Rode)
>> NT- SF1 - I will be just below 1000 USD
>> Røde took over Soundfield and then bought some knowledge about Ambisonics
>> equipment and this microphone would be the result ... In Denmark, for
>> example, Sennheiser ambeo costs around 1900 usd
>> They announced the NT - SF1 almost 6 months ago - so..
>>
>> BR
>> Søren Bendixen
>>> Den 10. aug. 2018 kl. 20.22 skrev Drew Kirkland <***@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Hi guys
>>>
>>> We have recently decided to record nature in ambisonic format with a
>>> additional specific mono and stereo recordings added in at edit stage.
>>>
>>> I would be interested in current ambisonic mic choice, we don't have
>> loads
>>> of cash but want to get as transparent a sound field as possible.
>>>
>>> We have all had experience over the last 30 years or so of using standard
>>> mics and have our favourites for particular situations but have never had
>>> experience of usi g ambisonic mics and relevant field recorders.
>>>
>>> Advice welcome
>>>
>>> Drew
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Drew Kirkland
>>> 1 campbleton cottage
>>> Hunterston Estate
>>> KA23 9QF
>>>
>>> 07876238608
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>> Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
>>
>> Søren Bendixen
>> Composer/Sound Designer/Producer
>>
>> Company: Audiotect
>>
>> New Exhibition sound design " På Djengis Khans stepper - Mongoliets
>> Nomader",
>> - Moesgaard Museum, 19 june 2018 - 7 april 2019
>> - National Museum of Denmark: From june 2019
>>
>> Jyllandsposten: 5 (out of 6) Stars: “The illusion of a railroad journey is
>> underpinned by the sceneries that stand outside the windows. Sound and
>> image are in exemplary harmony, which is just as consistent
>> completed when you attend the exhibition. the room is generally enhanced
>> by a rather fascinating sound design” (22 juni 2018)
>>
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Scott Wood
2018-08-11 16:58:55 UTC
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Does anyone know if there are any used Soundfield ST 450 Mk available for sale? ...price?

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> On Aug 11, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Phillip Westbrook <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I will state that after having used the Octomic next to an SPS200 I very pleased with the Octomic! Tonally the SPS200 is more musical and is my go to for recording VR musical performances but the Octomic is a good bit more detailed in its sound field and clearer with transients thus likely being a better candidate for ambiance. Here is a test I did a while back comparing the two. My suspicion is that the SPS200 could be improved with a calibrated A-to-B Format converter (example decoded using Harpex-X).
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/clpojnqbmox8ssi/AADMel8S0uCn5-G2KV6sJTeGa?dl=0
>
> Phillip Westbrook
> (832) 275 3525
> www.sunfirestudios.com
>
>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 1:51 AM, Bo-Erik Sandholm <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have "test" a recording of birds in a Nordic summer night.
>> Recorded with core-sound tetra mic using Tascam dr680
>>
>> Bo-Erik
>>
>>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 20:37 Søren Bendixen, <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>> I´m in the same situation, want to record nature (and other things) in
>>> ambisonics. and I have no experience - and waiting for the new Røde(Rode)
>>> NT- SF1 - I will be just below 1000 USD
>>> Røde took over Soundfield and then bought some knowledge about Ambisonics
>>> equipment and this microphone would be the result ... In Denmark, for
>>> example, Sennheiser ambeo costs around 1900 usd
>>> They announced the NT - SF1 almost 6 months ago - so..
>>>
>>> BR
>>> Søren Bendixen
>>>> Den 10. aug. 2018 kl. 20.22 skrev Drew Kirkland <***@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Hi guys
>>>>
>>>> We have recently decided to record nature in ambisonic format with a
>>>> additional specific mono and stereo recordings added in at edit stage.
>>>>
>>>> I would be interested in current ambisonic mic choice, we don't have
>>> loads
>>>> of cash but want to get as transparent a sound field as possible.
>>>>
>>>> We have all had experience over the last 30 years or so of using standard
>>>> mics and have our favourites for particular situations but have never had
>>>> experience of usi g ambisonic mics and relevant field recorders.
>>>>
>>>> Advice welcome
>>>>
>>>> Drew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Drew Kirkland
>>>> 1 campbleton cottage
>>>> Hunterston Estate
>>>> KA23 9QF
>>>>
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>>> Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
>>>
>>> Søren Bendixen
>>> Composer/Sound Designer/Producer
>>>
>>> Company: Audiotect
>>>
>>> New Exhibition sound design " På Djengis Khans stepper - Mongoliets
>>> Nomader",
>>> - Moesgaard Museum, 19 june 2018 - 7 april 2019
>>> - National Museum of Denmark: From june 2019
>>>
>>> Jyllandsposten: 5 (out of 6) Stars: “The illusion of a railroad journey is
>>> underpinned by the sceneries that stand outside the windows. Sound and
>>> image are in exemplary harmony, which is just as consistent
>>> completed when you attend the exhibition. the room is generally enhanced
>>> by a rather fascinating sound design” (22 juni 2018)
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2018-08-11 09:29:37 UTC
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When I reviewed the Sennheiser Ambeo some while ago I was distinctly
underwhelmed by many aspects of it. A shame, but I got the feeling it
wasn't something that the company felt any deep interest in.

Røde did indeed buy the Soundfield company, but perhaps more importantly bought Pieter Shillebeeckx and have given him freedom and budget to develop stuff. I suspect the NT-SF1 will be a lot more intersting as well as inexpensive.

Chris Woolf


On 10/08/2018 19:37, Søren Bendixen wrote:
> Hi
> I´m in the same situation, want to record nature (and other things) in ambisonics. and I have no experience - and waiting for the new Røde(Rode) NT- SF1 - I will be just below 1000 USD
> Røde took over Soundfield and then bought some knowledge about Ambisonics equipment and this microphone would be the result ... In Denmark, for example, Sennheiser ambeo costs around 1900 usd
> They announced the NT - SF1 almost 6 months ago - so..
>
> BR
> Søren Bendixen
>> Den 10. aug. 2018 kl. 20.22 skrev Drew Kirkland <***@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> We have recently decided to record nature in ambisonic format with a
>> additional specific mono and stereo recordings added in at edit stage.
>>
>> I would be interested in current ambisonic mic choice, we don't have loads
>> of cash but want to get as transparent a sound field as possible.
>>
>> We have all had experience over the last 30 years or so of using standard
>> mics and have our favourites for particular situations but have never had
>> experience of usi g ambisonic mics and relevant field recorders.
>>
>> Advice welcome
>>
>> Drew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Drew Kirkland
>> 1 campbleton cottage
>> Hunterston Estate
>> KA23 9QF
>>
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>
> Søren Bendixen
> Composer/Sound Designer/Producer
>
> Company: Audiotect
>
> New Exhibition sound design " På Djengis Khans stepper - Mongoliets Nomader",
> - Moesgaard Museum, 19 june 2018 - 7 april 2019
> - National Museum of Denmark: From june 2019
>
> Jyllandsposten: 5 (out of 6) Stars: “The illusion of a railroad journey is underpinned by the sceneries that stand outside the windows. Sound and image are in exemplary harmony, which is just as consistent
> completed when you attend the exhibition. the room is generally enhanced by a rather fascinating sound design” (22 juni 2018)
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2018-08-11 09:59:39 UTC
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Recording natural soundscapes in ambisonics is damn difficult because you
need to be close enough to the action, to the have a good signal-to-noise
ratio, but at the same time, I like to hear the overall soundscape. I use
a prototype made by Reynolds Microphones. Jack Reynolds is a super cool
dude and he is prototyping lots of stuff. This mic has much lower
self-noise than any other ambi mic you find around.

Axel Drioli

On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 at 11:29 Chris Woolf <***@chriswoolf.co.uk> wrote:

> When I reviewed the Sennheiser Ambeo some while ago I was distinctly
> underwhelmed by many aspects of it. A shame, but I got the feeling it
> wasn't something that the company felt any deep interest in.
>
> Røde did indeed buy the Soundfield company, but perhaps more importantly
> bought Pieter Shillebeeckx and have given him freedom and budget to develop
> stuff. I suspect the NT-SF1 will be a lot more intersting as well as
> inexpensive.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
> On 10/08/2018 19:37, Søren Bendixen wrote:
> > Hi
> > I´m in the same situation, want to record nature (and other things) in
> ambisonics. and I have no experience - and waiting for the new Røde(Rode)
> NT- SF1 - I will be just below 1000 USD
> > Røde took over Soundfield and then bought some knowledge about
> Ambisonics equipment and this microphone would be the result ... In
> Denmark, for example, Sennheiser ambeo costs around 1900 usd
> > They announced the NT - SF1 almost 6 months ago - so..
> >
> > BR
> > Søren Bendixen
> >> Den 10. aug. 2018 kl. 20.22 skrev Drew Kirkland <***@gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> Hi guys
> >>
> >> We have recently decided to record nature in ambisonic format with a
> >> additional specific mono and stereo recordings added in at edit stage.
> >>
> >> I would be interested in current ambisonic mic choice, we don't have
> loads
> >> of cash but want to get as transparent a sound field as possible.
> >>
> >> We have all had experience over the last 30 years or so of using
> standard
> >> mics and have our favourites for particular situations but have never
> had
> >> experience of usi g ambisonic mics and relevant field recorders.
> >>
> >> Advice welcome
> >>
> >> Drew
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Drew Kirkland
> >> 1 campbleton cottage
> >> Hunterston Estate
> >> KA23 9QF
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> >
> > Søren Bendixen
> > Composer/Sound Designer/Producer
> >
> > Company: Audiotect
> >
> > New Exhibition sound design " På Djengis Khans stepper - Mongoliets
> Nomader",
> > - Moesgaard Museum, 19 june 2018 - 7 april 2019
> > - National Museum of Denmark: From june 2019
> >
> > Jyllandsposten: 5 (out of 6) Stars: “The illusion of a railroad journey
> is underpinned by the sceneries that stand outside the windows. Sound and
> image are in exemplary harmony, which is just as consistent
> > completed when you attend the exhibition. the room is generally enhanced
> by a rather fascinating sound design” (22 juni 2018)
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On 11/08/2018 10:59, Axel Drioli wrote:
> ... I use
> a prototype made by Reynolds Microphones. ... This mic has much lower
> self-noise than any other ambi mic you find around.
>
But is that done using large diaphragm capsules? With the inevitable
consequences in terms of coincidence?

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I use 14mm electrets, so you can still get them pretty close together. They
naturally have a lower noise floor and wide dynamic range.

Jack

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>
> On 11/08/2018 10:59, Axel Drioli wrote:
>
>> ... I use
>> a prototype made by Reynolds Microphones. ... This mic has much lower
>> self-noise than any other ambi mic you find around.
>>
>> But is that done using large diaphragm capsules? With the inevitable
> consequences in terms of coincidence?
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> Chris Woolf
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Jack's mic sounds amazing, the soundfield is so clear and less
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>
> Jack
>
> On 11 August 2018 at 14:42, Chris Woolf <***@chriswoolf.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> > On 11/08/2018 10:59, Axel Drioli wrote:
> >
> >> ... I use
> >> a prototype made by Reynolds Microphones. ... This mic has much lower
> >> self-noise than any other ambi mic you find around.
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> > consequences in terms of coincidence?
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Link to audio clip recorded with Mr. Reynolds mic?
And a hint about price..?
No info on website but the other mics look beautiful

Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
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> Den 11. aug. 2018 kl. 19.29 skrev Axel Drioli <***@gmail.com>:
>
> Jack's mic sounds amazing, the soundfield is so clear and less
> 'in-your-face', as opposed to most FOA mics.
>
>
>
> On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 at 19:16 jack reynolds <***@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I use 14mm electrets, so you can still get them pretty close together. They
>> naturally have a lower noise floor and wide dynamic range.
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>> On 11 August 2018 at 14:42, Chris Woolf <***@chriswoolf.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 11/08/2018 10:59, Axel Drioli wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ... I use
>>>> a prototype made by Reynolds Microphones. ... This mic has much lower
>>>> self-noise than any other ambi mic you find around.
>>>>
>>>> But is that done using large diaphragm capsules? With the inevitable
>>> consequences in terms of coincidence?
>>>
>>> Chris Woolf
>>>
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couple of recordings of a thunder storm i recorded last week.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ZaSPOwYvmnojtB8-F-06MpIr6Co2nA6s

On 11 August 2018 at 18:43, Søren Bendixen <***@gmail.com> wrote:

> Link to audio clip recorded with Mr. Reynolds mic?
> And a hint about price..?
> No info on website but the other mics look beautiful
>
> Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
> Søren Bendixen
> Composer & Producer
> soerenbendixen.com
>
> > Den 11. aug. 2018 kl. 19.29 skrev Axel Drioli <***@gmail.com>:
> >
> > Jack's mic sounds amazing, the soundfield is so clear and less
> > 'in-your-face', as opposed to most FOA mics.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 at 19:16 jack reynolds <***@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I use 14mm electrets, so you can still get them pretty close together.
> They
> >> naturally have a lower noise floor and wide dynamic range.
> >>
> >> Jack
> >>
> >>> On 11 August 2018 at 14:42, Chris Woolf <***@chriswoolf.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 11/08/2018 10:59, Axel Drioli wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ... I use
> >>>> a prototype made by Reynolds Microphones. ... This mic has much lower
> >>>> self-noise than any other ambi mic you find around.
> >>>>
> >>>> But is that done using large diaphragm capsules? With the inevitable
> >>> consequences in terms of coincidence?
> >>>
> >>> Chris Woolf
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On 11/08/2018 18:16, jack reynolds wrote:
> I use 14mm electrets, so you can still get them pretty close together. They
> naturally have a lower noise floor and wide dynamic range.

Thanks for the clarification - I'd only seen your large diaphragm mics.
14mm capsules sounds fine.

Chris Woolf
>
> Jack
>
> On 11 August 2018 at 14:42, Chris Woolf <***@chriswoolf.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 11/08/2018 10:59, Axel Drioli wrote:
>>
>>> ... I use
>>> a prototype made by Reynolds Microphones. ... This mic has much lower
>>> self-noise than any other ambi mic you find around.
>>>
>>> But is that done using large diaphragm capsules? With the inevitable
>> consequences in terms of coincidence?
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
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Are there any recordings available made using these 14mm electrets, and is a complete tree setup commercially available?
R

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On 11/08/2018 18:16, jack reynolds wrote:
> I use 14mm electrets, so you can still get them pretty close together. They
> naturally have a lower noise floor and wide dynamic range.

Thanks for the clarification - I'd only seen your large diaphragm mics.
14mm capsules sounds fine.

Chris Woolf
>
> Jack
>
> On 11 August 2018 at 14:42, Chris Woolf <***@chriswoolf.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 11/08/2018 10:59, Axel Drioli wrote:
>>
>>> ...  I use
>>> a prototype made by Reynolds Microphones. ... This mic has much lower
>>> self-noise than any other ambi mic you find around.
>>>
>>> But is that done using large diaphragm capsules? With the inevitable
>> consequences in terms of coincidence?
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
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Emanuele Costantini
2018-08-12 17:27:19 UTC
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In the meantime, while waiting for the next phantasmagoric mic to come
out we need to get out and record right?
How heavy and bulky, and how much post work you are planning to have/do?
Following my past experiences and actual needs I ended up using the
Brahma-in-Zoom mic, which is now always with me. Very happy with it.
Obviously is not the quietest mic in the world but is very decent and
gave me the chance to record things I couldn't record otherwise (and
also recorded very wuiet environments with it). I modded a Rycote blimp
to host it, so I have no wind fear, I just switch it on and record.
Battery life is impressive.
When then the new Rycote and the Reynolds will see the light, I will be
very happy to give them a test and hopefully buy one or the other, as I
need a bigger rig for other jobs.

:-)

Emanuele


On 10/08/2018 19:37, Søren Bendixen wrote:
> Hi
> I´m in the same situation, want to record nature (and other things) in ambisonics. and I have no experience - and waiting for the new Røde(Rode) NT- SF1 - I will be just below 1000 USD
> Røde took over Soundfield and then bought some knowledge about Ambisonics equipment and this microphone would be the result ... In Denmark, for example, Sennheiser ambeo costs around 1900 usd
> They announced the NT - SF1 almost 6 months ago - so..
>
> BR
> Søren Bendixen
>> Den 10. aug. 2018 kl. 20.22 skrev Drew Kirkland <***@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> We have recently decided to record nature in ambisonic format with a
>> additional specific mono and stereo recordings added in at edit stage.
>>
>> I would be interested in current ambisonic mic choice, we don't have loads
>> of cash but want to get as transparent a sound field as possible.
>>
>> We have all had experience over the last 30 years or so of using standard
>> mics and have our favourites for particular situations but have never had
>> experience of usi g ambisonic mics and relevant field recorders.
>>
>> Advice welcome
>>
>> Drew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Drew Kirkland
>> 1 campbleton cottage
>> Hunterston Estate
>> KA23 9QF
>>
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>
> Søren Bendixen
> Composer/Sound Designer/Producer
>
> Company: Audiotect
>
> New Exhibition sound design " På Djengis Khans stepper - Mongoliets Nomader",
> - Moesgaard Museum, 19 june 2018 - 7 april 2019
> - National Museum of Denmark: From june 2019
>
> Jyllandsposten: 5 (out of 6) Stars: “The illusion of a railroad journey is underpinned by the sceneries that stand outside the windows. Sound and image are in exemplary harmony, which is just as consistent
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Thank you Emanuele.

I now have a large diaphragm version mounted on the zoom, intended for nature recordings. Here is a sample, in B format. https://drive.google.com/open?id=17GtK69T_RsN0iYyYKuWOdZNjrweweUML



There is also an ambisonic studio microphone using 25 mm capsules.

You can find all these on http://brahmamic.com/



We are currently working on an an all-digital MEMS array – eight capsule, second order.



umashankar



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In the meantime, while waiting for the next phantasmagoric mic to come
out we need to get out and record right?
How heavy and bulky, and how much post work you are planning to have/do?
Following my past experiences and actual needs I ended up using the
Brahma-in-Zoom mic, which is now always with me. Very happy with it.
Obviously is not the quietest mic in the world but is very decent and
gave me the chance to record things I couldn't record otherwise (and
also recorded very wuiet environments with it). I modded a Rycote blimp
to host it, so I have no wind fear, I just switch it on and record.
Battery life is impressive.
When then the new Rycote and the Reynolds will see the light, I will be
very happy to give them a test and hopefully buy one or the other, as I
need a bigger rig for other jobs.

:-)

Emanuele


On 10/08/2018 19:37, Søren Bendixen wrote:
> Hi
> I´m in the same situation, want to record nature (and other things) in ambisonics. and I have no experience - and waiting for the new Røde(Rode) NT- SF1 - I will be just below 1000 USD
> Røde took over Soundfield and then bought some knowledge about Ambisonics equipment and this microphone would be the result ... In Denmark, for example, Sennheiser ambeo costs around 1900 usd
> They announced the NT - SF1 almost 6 months ago - so..
>
> BR
> Søren Bendixen
>> Den 10. aug. 2018 kl. 20.22 skrev Drew Kirkland <***@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> We have recently decided to record nature in ambisonic format with a
>> additional specific mono and stereo recordings added in at edit stage.
>>
>> I would be interested in current ambisonic mic choice, we don't have loads
>> of cash but want to get as transparent a sound field as possible.
>>
>> We have all had experience over the last 30 years or so of using standard
>> mics and have our favourites for particular situations but have never had
>> experience of usi g ambisonic mics and relevant field recorders.
>>
>> Advice welcome
>>
>> Drew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Drew Kirkland
>> 1 campbleton cottage
>> Hunterston Estate
>> KA23 9QF
>>
>> 07876238608
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> Company: Audiotect
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> New Exhibition sound design " På Djengis Khans stepper - Mongoliets Nomader",
> - Moesgaard Museum, 19 june 2018 - 7 april 2019
> - National Museum of Denmark: From june 2019
>
> Jyllandsposten: 5 (out of 6) Stars: “The illusion of a railroad journey is underpinned by the sceneries that stand outside the windows. Sound and image are in exemplary harmony, which is just as consistent
> completed when you attend the exhibition. the room is generally enhanced by a rather fascinating sound design” (22 juni 2018)
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Martin Leese
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Drew Kirkland wrote:
> Hi guys
>
> We have recently decided to record nature in ambisonic format with a
> additional specific mono and stereo recordings added in at edit stage.
>
> I would be interested in current ambisonic mic choice, we don't have loads
> of cash but want to get as transparent a sound field as possible.

There is a list of mics on Wikipedia at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ambisonic_hardware#Microphone_Arrays

If the list is incomplete then will people please
add to it.

Regards,
Martin
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Drew Kirkland
2018-08-12 09:21:00 UTC
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Thanks every one that's brilliant I will do a bit of listening and reading
and let you know what we decide

Drew







Drew Kirkland
1 campbleton cottage
Hunterston Estate
KA23 9QF

07876238608

On Sat, 11 Aug 2018, 20:31 Martin Leese, <***@stanfordalumni.org>
wrote:

> Drew Kirkland wrote:
> > Hi guys
> >
> > We have recently decided to record nature in ambisonic format with a
> > additional specific mono and stereo recordings added in at edit stage.
> >
> > I would be interested in current ambisonic mic choice, we don't have
> loads
> > of cash but want to get as transparent a sound field as possible.
>
> There is a list of mics on Wikipedia at:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ambisonic_hardware#Microphone_Arrays
>
> If the list is incomplete then will people please
> add to it.
>
> Regards,
> Martin
> --
> Martin J Leese
> E-mail: martin.leese stanfordalumni.org
> Web: http://members.tripod.com/martin_leese/
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Len Moskowitz
2018-08-12 18:37:05 UTC
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When selecting an ambisonic microphone, I'll suggest a few things you
should look and listen for.


All of the older Soundfield microphones (all other than the SPS200) used
hardware to apply their calibrations. Each microphone was individually
measured and a calibration correction was built into the hardware
processor.


As the microphones aged, they fell out of calibration. To restore their
performance, you had to send the microphone and the processor back to
Soundfield for re-calibration. This was expensive, and ideally had to be
done every two or three years. When Soundfield went through multiple
changes of owndership, the knowledge to re-calibrate (and even to
initially calibrate) was lost.



With the introduction of our TetraMic in late 2006, the hardware was no
longer needed. We calibrated each and every TetraMic individually and
provided a calibration file that was applied with an A- to B-format
encoder plugin.


Soundfield later came out with their SPS200. Instead of providing
individual calibration files for each SPS200, they initially matched all
the capsules at the factory to the same standard, and then provided a
single generic calibration correction that they expected would work for
all SPS200s. It turns out that as the capsules on the SPS200s aged, a
single generic calibration file couldn't possibly work for all of them.
And they never offered a re-calibration service. Eventually, based on
what we've measured, they lost the ability to even match the capsules
correctly initially at the factory - eachone is very different than the
next.



The result of using a single generic calibration correction file is that
they can't correct for a lot of things. One of them is divergence at low
frequencies. So what they did was to cut off the SPS200's low frequency
response at around 90 Hz. The Sennheiser Ambeo takes the same approach,
and it also has a 90 Hz low frequency cutoff. The new Rode mic (as of
yet unreleased) seems to follow the same approach.



And of course, as the capsules age, even if they were well-matched from
the factory (which SPS200s are not now, but Ambeos seem to be), after
two or three years, they will not be.


Neither Soundfield (now owned by Rode) nor Sennheiser offers
re-calibration services.



SPS200 and Ambeo are first-order tetrahedral array microphones.


TetraMic is Core Sound's first-order microphone. It is probably the
best-selling first-order microphone in the world. Each one is
individually calibrated. Re-calibration is recommended every two to
three years. Low frequency response goes down to below 30 Hz. (We've
calibrated them on special order down to 10 Hz.) It's calibration is
tuned to sound like a DPA 4003.



First-order tetrahedral arrays are good for some things, but they're
weak at others. If properly calibrated, its pickup patterns are better
than pretty much any mono mic. But its listening sweet spot is only
about the size of a human head. Outside of that you'll start to hear
some loss of localization cues. Its localization cues are not
particularly strong, which is why the VR industry tends to use them for
ambience, but supplements them with spot mics for stronger localization
cues.



Second-order ambisonic mics have a much, much larger sweet spot, and
much, much stronger localization cues. They can synthesize second-order
pickup patterns that have much more directional selectivity, rejecting
much more sound from unwanted directions. That let's you get at least
twice as far from the sound source as a mono mic without losing
directional selectivity. (Mono mics are limited to first-order pickup
patterns; they can't do second-order patterns.)



Our OctoMic is the only second-order mic being offered commercially.
It's priced only a little higher than an Ambeo. We suggest that you have
a look and a listen.





Len Moskowitz (***@core-sound.com)
Core Sound LLC
www.core-sound.com
Home of OctoMic and TetraMic
Søren Bendixen
2018-08-12 20:03:33 UTC
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Hi Len
This is very interesting information.
I’ve have just ordered a mixpre 6 so I’m ready for 1’ st order ambisonics
But my aim is using ambisonics in exhibition set ups so people can walk around in spaces/full circles ca. 10 meters in diameter

I have no experience with ambisonics and not at all in “live” settings but regarding your info it seems like only a 2’ end order ambisonics recording will be usefull?
If usefull at all..?

If usefull; Can you recommend Zoom F8n (or “just” F8) as a recorder with Octomic?
Or any other 8 ch recorder around the same price range?
The main point is low noise pre’s - no fancy stuff.

Re. Price: the list price is 1999 USD for Octomic and you mention that it is just a little above Sennheiser Ambeo (which i can buy in Europe incl. tax AND shipping for 1920 USD at Thomann) Is your price ex. Tax and shipping?
I live in Denmark.

Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
Søren Bendixen
Composer & Producer
soerenbendixen.com

> Den 12. aug. 2018 kl. 20.37 skrev Len Moskowitz <***@optonline.net>:
>
> When selecting an ambisonic microphone, I'll suggest a few things you should look and listen for.
>
>
> All of the older Soundfield microphones (all other than the SPS200) used hardware to apply their calibrations. Each microphone was individually measured and a calibration correction was built into the hardware processor.
>
>
> As the microphones aged, they fell out of calibration. To restore their performance, you had to send the microphone and the processor back to Soundfield for re-calibration. This was expensive, and ideally had to be done every two or three years. When Soundfield went through multiple changes of owndership, the knowledge to re-calibrate (and even to initially calibrate) was lost.
>
>
>
> With the introduction of our TetraMic in late 2006, the hardware was no longer needed. We calibrated each and every TetraMic individually and provided a calibration file that was applied with an A- to B-format encoder plugin.
>
>
> Soundfield later came out with their SPS200. Instead of providing individual calibration files for each SPS200, they initially matched all the capsules at the factory to the same standard, and then provided a single generic calibration correction that they expected would work for all SPS200s. It turns out that as the capsules on the SPS200s aged, a single generic calibration file couldn't possibly work for all of them. And they never offered a re-calibration service. Eventually, based on what we've measured, they lost the ability to even match the capsules correctly initially at the factory - eachone is very different than the next.
>
>
>
> The result of using a single generic calibration correction file is that they can't correct for a lot of things. One of them is divergence at low frequencies. So what they did was to cut off the SPS200's low frequency response at around 90 Hz. The Sennheiser Ambeo takes the same approach, and it also has a 90 Hz low frequency cutoff. The new Rode mic (as of yet unreleased) seems to follow the same approach.
>
>
>
> And of course, as the capsules age, even if they were well-matched from the factory (which SPS200s are not now, but Ambeos seem to be), after two or three years, they will not be.
>
>
> Neither Soundfield (now owned by Rode) nor Sennheiser offers re-calibration services.
>
>
>
> SPS200 and Ambeo are first-order tetrahedral array microphones.
>
>
> TetraMic is Core Sound's first-order microphone. It is probably the best-selling first-order microphone in the world. Each one is individually calibrated. Re-calibration is recommended every two to three years. Low frequency response goes down to below 30 Hz. (We've calibrated them on special order down to 10 Hz.) It's calibration is tuned to sound like a DPA 4003.
>
>
>
> First-order tetrahedral arrays are good for some things, but they're weak at others. If properly calibrated, its pickup patterns are better than pretty much any mono mic. But its listening sweet spot is only about the size of a human head. Outside of that you'll start to hear some loss of localization cues. Its localization cues are not particularly strong, which is why the VR industry tends to use them for ambience, but supplements them with spot mics for stronger localization cues.
>
>
>
> Second-order ambisonic mics have a much, much larger sweet spot, and much, much stronger localization cues. They can synthesize second-order pickup patterns that have much more directional selectivity, rejecting much more sound from unwanted directions. That let's you get at least twice as far from the sound source as a mono mic without losing directional selectivity. (Mono mics are limited to first-order pickup patterns; they can't do second-order patterns.)
>
>
>
> Our OctoMic is the only second-order mic being offered commercially. It's priced only a little higher than an Ambeo. We suggest that you have a look and a listen.
>
>
>
>
>
> Len Moskowitz (***@core-sound.com)
> Core Sound LLC
> www.core-sound.com
> Home of OctoMic and TetraMic
> _______________________________________________
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Len Moskowitz
2018-08-13 04:18:06 UTC
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Hi Søren,

In my opinion, second-order ambisonic microphones perform better than
first-order mics in every way.


I suggest that if you are able, to join Facebook's "Spatial Audio in
VR/AR/MR" group. You can ask your project questions there of probably
the most knowledgable immersive sound engineers on the planet.



We can recommend the Zoom F8 (and now the F8n) without reservation. For
under $1000, it provides excellent, low noise pre-amps, very
well-matched channels, and the ability to simply gang channels to ease
the recording process. An alternative is the Sound Devices MixPre 10T.



You can see shipping prices on our ordering page. It's between $78 and
$93 to Denmark. We don't have or collect VAT in the US, so you'd be
responsible for paying VAT to your country's Customs agent.



Len Moskowitz (***@core-sound.com)
Core Sound LLC
www.core-sound.com
Home of OctoMic and TetraMic





> Re. Price: the list price is 1999 USD for Octomic and you mention
> that it is just a little above Sennheiser Ambeo (which i can buy in
> Europe incl. tax AND shipping for 1920 USD at Thomann) Is your price
> ex. Tax and shipping?
> I live in Denmark.
>
> Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
> Søren Bendixen
> Composer & Producer
> soerenbendixen.com
>
>> Den 12. aug. 2018 kl. 20.37 skrev Len Moskowitz :
>>
>> When selecting an ambisonic microphone, I'll suggest a few things you
>> should look and listen for.
>>
>>
>> All of the older Soundfield microphones (all other than the SPS200)
>> used hardware to apply their calibrations. Each microphone was
>> individually measured and a calibration correction was built into the
>> hardware processor.
>>
>>
>> As the microphones aged, they fell out of calibration. To restore
>> their performance, you had to send the microphone and the processor
>> back to Soundfield for re-calibration. This was expensive, and
>> ideally had to be done every two or three years. When Soundfield went
>> through multiple changes of owndership, the knowledge to re-calibrate
>> (and even to initially calibrate) was lost.
>>
>>
>>
>> With the introduction of our TetraMic in late 2006, the hardware was
>> no longer needed. We calibrated each and every TetraMic individually
>> and provided a calibration file that was applied with an A- to
>> B-format encoder plugin.
>>
>>
>> Soundfield later came out with their SPS200. Instead of providing
>> individual calibration files for each SPS200, they initially matched
>> all the capsules at the factory to the same standard, and then
>> provided a single generic calibration correction that they expected
>> would work for all SPS200s. It turns out that as the capsules on the
>> SPS200s aged, a single generic calibration file couldn't possibly
>> work for all of them. And they never offered a re-calibration
>> service. Eventually, based on what we've measured, they lost the
>> ability to even match the capsules correctly initially at the factory
>> - eachone is very different than the next.
>>
>>
>>
>> The result of using a single generic calibration correction file is
>> that they can't correct for a lot of things. One of them is
>> divergence at low frequencies. So what they did was to cut off the
>> SPS200's low frequency response at around 90 Hz. The Sennheiser Ambeo
>> takes the same approach, and it also has a 90 Hz low frequency
>> cutoff. The new Rode mic (as of yet unreleased) seems to follow the
>> same approach.
>>
>>
>>
>> And of course, as the capsules age, even if they were well-matched
>> from the factory (which SPS200s are not now, but Ambeos seem to be),
>> after two or three years, they will not be.
>>
>>
>> Neither Soundfield (now owned by Rode) nor Sennheiser offers
>> re-calibration services.
>>
>>
>>
>> SPS200 and Ambeo are first-order tetrahedral array microphones.
>>
>>
>> TetraMic is Core Sound's first-order microphone. It is probably the
>> best-selling first-order microphone in the world. Each one is
>> individually calibrated. Re-calibration is recommended every two to
>> three years. Low frequency response goes down to below 30 Hz. (We've
>> calibrated them on special order down to 10 Hz.) It's calibration is
>> tuned to sound like a DPA 4003.
>>
>>
>>
>> First-order tetrahedral arrays are good for some things, but they're
>> weak at others. If properly calibrated, its pickup patterns are
>> better than pretty much any mono mic. But its listening sweet spot is
>> only about the size of a human head. Outside of that you'll start to
>> hear some loss of localization cues. Its localization cues are not
>> particularly strong, which is why the VR industry tends to use them
>> for ambience, but supplements them with spot mics for stronger
>> localization cues.
>>
>>
>>
>> Second-order ambisonic mics have a much, much larger sweet spot, and
>> much, much stronger localization cues. They can synthesize
>> second-order pickup patterns that have much more directional
>> selectivity, rejecting much more sound from unwanted directions. That
>> let's you get at least twice as far from the sound source as a mono
>> mic without losing directional selectivity. (Mono mics are limited to
>> first-order pickup patterns; they can't do second-order patterns.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Our OctoMic is the only second-order mic being offered commercially.
>> It's priced only a little higher than an Ambeo. We suggest that you
>> have a look and a listen.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Len Moskowitz (***@core-sound.com)
>> Core Sound LLC
>> www.core-sound.com
>> Home of OctoMic and TetraMic
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sursound mailing list
>> ***@music.vt.edu
>> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe
>> here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
>
Stefan Schreiber
2018-08-12 22:21:10 UTC
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Just a short comment during a trip:

It is IMO not true that the Octomic is “the only second-order mic
being offered commercially”.

You have to add (at least) the Eigenmike and the ZM-1 microphones:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ambisonic_hardware

Both microphones might have their own shortcomings - but will be a
very good choice for at least some people. 

Said this I have recommended to test the Octomic elsewhere....

Best regards

Stefan

P.S.: It is next to known that VR people would crave for a
good-sounding 3rd order (main) mike.

Could this be a commercial opportunity?

- - - - - - - - 

Citando Len Moskowitz <***@optonline.net>:

> When selecting an ambisonic microphone, I'll suggest a few things
> you should look and listen for.
>
>
>
>
>
> All of the older Soundfield microphones (all other than the SPS200)
> used hardware to apply their calibrations. Each microphone was
> individually measured and a calibration correction was built into
> the hardware processor.
>
>
>
>
>
> As the microphones aged, they fell out of calibration. To restore
> their performance, you had to send the microphone and the processor
> back to Soundfield for re-calibration. This was expensive, and
> ideally had to be done every two or three years. When Soundfield
> went through multiple changes of owndership, the knowledge to
> re-calibrate (and even to initially calibrate) was lost.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> With the introduction of our TetraMic in late 2006, the hardware
> was no longer needed. We calibrated each and every TetraMic
> individually and provided a calibration file that was applied with
> an A- to B-format encoder plugin.
>
>
>
>
>
> Soundfield later came out with their SPS200. Instead of providing
> individual calibration files for each SPS200, they initially matched
> all the capsules at the factory to the same standard, and then
> provided a single generic calibration correction that they expected
> would work for all SPS200s. It turns out that as the capsules on the
> SPS200s aged, a single generic calibration file couldn't possibly
> work for all of them. And they never offered a re-calibration
> service. Eventually, based on what we've measured, they lost the
> ability to even match the capsules correctly initially at the
> factory - eachone is very different than the next.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The result of using a single generic calibration correction file is
> that they can't correct for a lot of things. One of them is
> divergence at low frequencies. So what they did was to cut off the
> SPS200's low frequency response at around 90 Hz. The Sennheiser
> Ambeo takes the same approach, and it also has a 90 Hz low frequency
> cutoff. The new Rode mic (as of yet unreleased) seems to follow the
> same approach.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> And of course, as the capsules age, even if they were well-matched
> from the factory (which SPS200s are not now, but Ambeos seem to be),
> after two or three years, they will not be.
>
>
>
>
>
> Neither Soundfield (now owned by Rode) nor Sennheiser offers
> re-calibration services.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> SPS200 and Ambeo are first-order tetrahedral array microphones.
>
>
>
>
>
> TetraMic is Core Sound's first-order microphone. It is probably the
> best-selling first-order microphone in the world. Each one is
> individually calibrated. Re-calibration is recommended every two to
> three years. Low frequency response goes down to below 30 Hz. (We've
> calibrated them on special order down to 10 Hz.) It's calibration is
> tuned to sound like a DPA 4003.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> First-order tetrahedral arrays are good for some things, but
> they're weak at others. If properly calibrated, its pickup patterns
> are better than pretty much any mono mic. But its listening sweet
> spot is only about the size of a human head. Outside of that you'll
> start to hear some loss of localization cues. Its localization cues
> are not particularly strong, which is why the VR industry tends to
> use them for ambience, but supplements them with spot mics for
> stronger localization cues.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Second-order ambisonic mics have a much, much larger sweet spot,
> and much, much stronger localization cues. They can synthesize
> second-order pickup patterns that have much more directional
> selectivity, rejecting much more sound from unwanted directions.
> That let's you get at least twice as far from the sound source as a
> mono mic without losing directional selectivity. (Mono mics are
> limited to first-order pickup patterns; they can't do second-order
> patterns.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Our OctoMic is the only second-order mic being offered
> commercially. It's priced only a little higher than an Ambeo. We
> suggest that you have a look and a listen.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Len Moskowitz (***@core-sound.com)
>
> Core Sound LLC
>
> www.core-sound.com[1]
>
> Home of OctoMic and TetraMic



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Hi there,

Have you had the chance to test Zylia’s ZM-1?
It’s a 19-capsule spherical mic. The raw file can be exported to 1st, 2nd and 3rd orders.

Here’s some excerpts from a test I did with it in an urban park on a calm day (raw format exported to 1st order, ambix).

https://youtu.be/hVWeP5wxEuw <https://youtu.be/hVWeP5wxEuw> (Please, be aware that the levels are rather low in this recording)

Best,
Eduardo


________________________
Eduardo Patrício
www.eduardopatricio.com
+44 (0) 7435512479





> On Aug 10, 2018, at 8:22 PM, Drew Kirkland <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi guys
>
> We have recently decided to record nature in ambisonic format with a
> additional specific mono and stereo recordings added in at edit stage.
>
> I would be interested in current ambisonic mic choice, we don't have loads
> of cash but want to get as transparent a sound field as possible.
>
> We have all had experience over the last 30 years or so of using standard
> mics and have our favourites for particular situations but have never had
> experience of usi g ambisonic mics and relevant field recorders.
>
> Advice welcome
>
> Drew
>
>
>
>
>
> Drew Kirkland
> 1 campbleton cottage
> Hunterston Estate
> KA23 9QF
>
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Buy a second order if you can afford it, also, not sure about Tetramic, but
the Bramha standalone had real issues with radio frequency interference,
shielding was horrendous, doing soundscape recordings in an urban setting
was often impossible if a phone mast, radio transmitter etc, was anywhere
in the vicinity, many locations where getting a clean recording was simply
impossible due to these issues, but perhaps these issues have been remedied
in the newer models? Never had problems like this with "big brand" in
similar settings.

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Eduardo Patricio <
***@zylia.pl> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> Have you had the chance to test Zylia’s ZM-1?
> It’s a 19-capsule spherical mic. The raw file can be exported to 1st, 2nd
> and 3rd orders.
>
> Here’s some excerpts from a test I did with it in an urban park on a calm
> day (raw format exported to 1st order, ambix).
>
> https://youtu.be/hVWeP5wxEuw <https://youtu.be/hVWeP5wxEuw> (Please, be
> aware that the levels are rather low in this recording)
>
> Best,
> Eduardo
>
>
> ________________________
> Eduardo Patrício
> www.eduardopatricio.com
> +44 (0) 7435512479
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 10, 2018, at 8:22 PM, Drew Kirkland <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi guys
> >
> > We have recently decided to record nature in ambisonic format with a
> > additional specific mono and stereo recordings added in at edit stage.
> >
> > I would be interested in current ambisonic mic choice, we don't have
> loads
> > of cash but want to get as transparent a sound field as possible.
> >
> > We have all had experience over the last 30 years or so of using standard
> > mics and have our favourites for particular situations but have never had
> > experience of usi g ambisonic mics and relevant field recorders.
> >
> > Advice welcome
> >
> > Drew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Drew Kirkland
> > 1 campbleton cottage
> > Hunterston Estate
> > KA23 9QF
> >
> > 07876238608
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yes. the rf issues have been resolved in the versions now manufactured in bangalore

umashankar
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Subject: Re: [Sursound] Looking for mic advice

Buy a second order if you can afford it, also, not sure about Tetramic, but
the Bramha standalone had real issues with radio frequency interference,
shielding was horrendous, doing soundscape recordings in an urban setting
was often impossible if a phone mast, radio transmitter etc, was anywhere
in the vicinity, many locations where getting a clean recording was simply
impossible due to these issues, but perhaps these issues have been remedied
in the newer models? Never had problems like this with "big brand" in
similar settings.

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Eduardo Patricio <
***@zylia.pl> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> Have you had the chance to test Zylia’s ZM-1?
> It’s a 19-capsule spherical mic. The raw file can be exported to 1st, 2nd
> and 3rd orders.
>
> Here’s some excerpts from a test I did with it in an urban park on a calm
> day (raw format exported to 1st order, ambix).
>
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FhVWeP5wxEuw&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C8a0420cb6af04ae8481108d601137ef3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636697580576057003&amp;sdata=FJgukjLJRT2U2mZVq8rVwgsufZy%2FjhicfVzgZVEIzr4%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FhVWeP5wxEuw&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C8a0420cb6af04ae8481108d601137ef3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636697580576057003&amp;sdata=FJgukjLJRT2U2mZVq8rVwgsufZy%2FjhicfVzgZVEIzr4%3D&amp;reserved=0> (Please, be
> aware that the levels are rather low in this recording)
>
> Best,
> Eduardo
>
>
> ________________________
> Eduardo Patrício
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>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 10, 2018, at 8:22 PM, Drew Kirkland <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi guys
> >
> > We have recently decided to record nature in ambisonic format with a
> > additional specific mono and stereo recordings added in at edit stage.
> >
> > I would be interested in current ambisonic mic choice, we don't have
> loads
> > of cash but want to get as transparent a sound field as possible.
> >
> > We have all had experience over the last 30 years or so of using standard
> > mics and have our favourites for particular situations but have never had
> > experience of usi g ambisonic mics and relevant field recorders.
> >
> > Advice welcome
> >
> > Drew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Drew Kirkland
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Stefan Schreiber
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Hello Eduardo,

(“Have you had the chance to test Zylia’s ZM-1?”)

a clear “no” here.

How available is your microphone in the meantime?

The price is certainly v. attractive, but preordering is probably not
a good option for most

“recordists” on this list.

I would say that your microphone could be very interesting to “play”
with 2nd and 3rd

order recordings and VR audio.

Suggestion:
How would it be to design a “PRO” version of the ZM-1 w/ better (i.e.
non-MEMS)

capsules? You have the microphone and the software, so I think this
could be an option.

Best regards

Stefan

- - - -

Citando Eduardo Patricio <***@zylia.pl>:

> Hi there,
>
> Have you had the chance to test Zylia’s ZM-1?
>
> It’s a 19-capsule spherical mic. The raw file can be exported to
> 1st, 2nd and 3rd orders.
>
> Here’s some excerpts from a test I did with it in an urban park on a
> calm day (raw format exported to 1st order, ambix).
>
> https://youtu.be/hVWeP5wxEuw <https://youtu.be/hVWeP5wxEuw> 
>  (Please, be aware that the levels are rather low in this recording)
>
> Best,
>
> Eduardo
>
> ________________________
>
> Eduardo Patrício
>
> www.eduardopatricio.com[1]
>
> +44 (0) 7435512479
>
>> On Aug 10, 2018, at 8:22 PM, Drew Kirkland <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> We have recently decided to record nature in ambisonic format with a
>>
>> additional specific mono and stereo recordings added in at edit stage.
>>
>> I would be interested in current ambisonic mic choice, we don't have loads
>>
>> of cash but want to get as transparent a sound field as possible.
>>
>> We have all had experience over the last 30 years or so of using standard
>>
>> mics and have our favourites for particular situations but have never had
>>
>> experience of usi g ambisonic mics and relevant field recorders.
>>
>> Advice welcome
>>
>> Drew



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Eduardo Patricio
2018-08-14 11:36:07 UTC
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Hi Stefan

The microphone will soon be shipped to Indie gogo backers. Distribution to stores in Europe and the US will follow.
And the company certainly has plans to develop other models. Thanks for your suggestion.

In the mean time, this short tutorial brings an audio recording + a reference video to showcase a possible 360 mixing workflow. You can check some possibilities of manipulation of the raw 19-channel sound file from the ZM-1.
http://www.zylia.co/blog/create-your-own-spatial-ambisonics-mix-with-zylia <http://www.zylia.co/blog/create-your-own-spatial-ambisonics-mix-with-zylia>


Best,
Eduardo


________________________
Eduardo Patrício
www.eduardopatricio.com
+44 (0) 7435512479





> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Stefan Schreiber <***@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
>
> Hello Eduardo,
>
> (“Have you had the chance to test Zylia’s ZM-1?”)
>
> a clear “no” here.
>
> How available is your microphone in the meantime?
>
> The price is certainly v. attractive, but preordering is probably not a good option for most
>
> “recordists” on this list.
>
> I would say that your microphone could be very interesting to “play” with 2nd and 3rd
>
> order recordings and VR audio.
>
> Suggestion:
> How would it be to design a “PRO” version of the ZM-1 w/ better (i.e. non-MEMS)
>
> capsules? You have the microphone and the software, so I think this could be an option.
>
> Best regards
>
> Stefan
>
> - - - -
>
> Citando Eduardo Patricio <***@zylia.pl>:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> Have you had the chance to test Zylia’s ZM-1?
>>
>> It’s a 19-capsule spherical mic. The raw file can be exported to 1st, 2nd and 3rd orders.
>>
>> Here’s some excerpts from a test I did with it in an urban park on a calm day (raw format exported to 1st order, ambix).
>>
>> https://youtu.be/hVWeP5wxEuw <https://youtu.be/hVWeP5wxEuw> (Please, be aware that the levels are rather low in this recording)
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Eduardo
>>
>> ________________________
>>
>> Eduardo Patrício
>>
>> www.eduardopatricio.com[1]
>>
>> +44 (0) 7435512479
>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2018, at 8:22 PM, Drew Kirkland <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi guys
>>>
>>> We have recently decided to record nature in ambisonic format with a
>>>
>>> additional specific mono and stereo recordings added in at edit stage.
>>>
>>> I would be interested in current ambisonic mic choice, we don't have loads
>>>
>>> of cash but want to get as transparent a sound field as possible.
>>>
>>> We have all had experience over the last 30 years or so of using standard
>>>
>>> mics and have our favourites for particular situations but have never had
>>>
>>> experience of usi g ambisonic mics and relevant field recorders.
>>>
>>> Advice welcome
>>>
>>> Drew
>
>
>
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Len Moskowitz
2018-08-14 16:13:19 UTC
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Eduardo Patricio wrote:


> The microphone will soon be shipped to Indie gogo backers.
> Distribution to stores in Europe and the US will follow.



I couldn't find the basic specifications (frequency response, self
noise) for this microphone. Could you point us to a web page that has
them, please?





Len Moskowitz
Core Sound LLC
www.core-sound.com
Home of OctoMic and TetraMic
Paul Hodges
2018-08-16 18:49:26 UTC
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--On 14 August 2018 12:13 -0400 Len Moskowitz
<***@optonline.net> wrote:

> I couldn't find the basic specifications (frequency response, self
> noise) for this microphone.

This page has a frequency response curve for the MEMS used:
<http://www.zylia.co/white-paper.html>

When mine arrives (which we are told will be shipping "quite soon") I
shall attempt to make some crude comparative measurements by recording
a noise source alongside a known microphone.

Paul

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Jonathan Kawchuk
2018-10-02 06:11:06 UTC
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Has anyone checked out the Nevaton VR microphone
<http://nevaton.eu/nevaton-goes-ambisonics/>? Incredibly low self-noise if
you are looking to do nature recording. Curious what the spatial resolution
will be like and what calibration looks like.

Re: spatial resolution, would anyone even bother with FOA mics for
capturing directional impulse responses?


On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 12:49 PM Paul Hodges <pwh-***@cassland.org>
wrote:

> --On 14 August 2018 12:13 -0400 Len Moskowitz
> <***@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> > I couldn't find the basic specifications (frequency response, self
> > noise) for this microphone.
>
> This page has a frequency response curve for the MEMS used:
> <http://www.zylia.co/white-paper.html>
>
> When mine arrives (which we are told will be shipping "quite soon") I
> shall attempt to make some crude comparative measurements by recording
> a noise source alongside a known microphone.
>
> Paul
>
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On 10/2/18 8:11 AM, Jonathan Kawchuk wrote:
> Has anyone checked out the Nevaton VR microphone
> <http://nevaton.eu/nevaton-goes-ambisonics/>? Incredibly low self-noise if
> you are looking to do nature recording. Curious what the spatial resolution
> will be like and what calibration looks like.
>
> Re: spatial resolution, would anyone even bother with FOA mics for
> capturing directional impulse responses?

Me :)

Better the Soundfield in your hand than two Eigenmikes in the bush :)


--
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Tel. +49 177 7937487

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Florian Grond
2018-08-14 16:15:25 UTC
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Hello,

Just a quick message to say that I am the happy owner of a ZM-1 and I am
very very pleased with it!
I have also worked with the Eigenmike before and I find the ZM1 sounds much
better.
I have recorded a contemporary music performance, I have mixed it with
Zylia's tools and the composer loves the result and uses it for promotion.
Some people wonder about the quality of the capsules if non-mems would be
better etc. but the reality is there is nothing out there that compares
with the ZM-1 at the moment and it sounds really good and is extremely
affordable and most of all also practicable it is essentially a mic and
sound card in one. You take your laptop, the ZM-1 and you record anywhere
you like (make sure your laptop has a quiet fan)

All best,

Florian







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> Hi Stefan
>
> The microphone will soon be shipped to Indie gogo backers. Distribution to
> stores in Europe and the US will follow.
> And the company certainly has plans to develop other models. Thanks for
> your suggestion.
>
> In the mean time, this short tutorial brings an audio recording + a
> reference video to showcase a possible 360 mixing workflow. You can check
> some possibilities of manipulation of the raw 19-channel sound file from
> the ZM-1.
> http://www.zylia.co/blog/create-your-own-spatial-ambisonics-mix-with-zylia
> <http://www.zylia.co/blog/create-your-own-spatial-
> ambisonics-mix-with-zylia>
>
>
> Best,
> Eduardo
>
>
> ________________________
> Eduardo Patr?cio
> www.eduardopatricio.com
> +44 (0) 7435512479
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Stefan Schreiber <***@mail.telepac.pt>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Eduardo,
> >
> > (?Have you had the chance to test Zylia?s ZM-1??)
> >
> > a clear ?no? here.
> >
> > How available is your microphone in the meantime?
> >
> > The price is certainly v. attractive, but preordering is probably not a
> good option for most
> >
> > ?recordists? on this list.
> >
> > I would say that your microphone could be very interesting to ?play?
> with 2nd and 3rd
> >
> > order recordings and VR audio.
> >
> > Suggestion:
> > How would it be to design a ?PRO? version of the ZM-1 w/ better (i.e.
> non-MEMS)
> >
> > capsules? You have the microphone and the software, so I think this
> could be an option.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Stefan
> >
> > - - - -
> >
> > Citando Eduardo Patricio <***@zylia.pl>:
> >
> >> Hi there,
> >>
> >> Have you had the chance to test Zylia?s ZM-1?
> >>
> >> It?s a 19-capsule spherical mic. The raw file can be exported to 1st,
> 2nd and 3rd orders.
> >>
> >> Here?s some excerpts from a test I did with it in an urban park on a
> calm day (raw format exported to 1st order, ambix).
> >>
> >> https://youtu.be/hVWeP5wxEuw <https://youtu.be/hVWeP5wxEuw> (Please,
> be aware that the levels are rather low in this recording)
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Eduardo
> >>
> >> ________________________
> >>
> >> Eduardo Patr?cio
> >>
> >> www.eduardopatricio.com[1]
> >>
> >> +44 (0) 7435512479
> >>
> >>> On Aug 10, 2018, at 8:22 PM, Drew Kirkland <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi guys
> >>>
> >>> We have recently decided to record nature in ambisonic format with a
> >>>
> >>> additional specific mono and stereo recordings added in at edit stage.
> >>>
> >>> I would be interested in current ambisonic mic choice, we don't have
> loads
> >>>
> >>> of cash but want to get as transparent a sound field as possible.
> >>>
> >>> We have all had experience over the last 30 years or so of using
> standard
> >>>
> >>> mics and have our favourites for particular situations but have never
> had
> >>>
> >>> experience of usi g ambisonic mics and relevant field recorders.
> >>>
> >>> Advice welcome
> >>>
> >>> Drew
> >
> >
> >
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Citando Florian Grond <***@gmail.com>:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> Just a quick message to say that I am the happy owner of a ZM-1 and I am
>
> very very pleased with it!
>
> I have also worked with the Eigenmike before and I find the ZM1 sounds much
>
> better.
>
> I have recorded a contemporary music performance, I have mixed it with
>
> Zylia's tools and the composer loves the result and uses it for promotion.
>
> Some people wonder about the quality of the capsules if non-mems would be
>
> better etc. but the reality is there is nothing out there that compares
>
> with the ZM-1 at the moment and it sounds really good and is extremely
>
> affordable and most of all also practicable it is essentially a mic and
>
> sound card in one. You take your laptop, the ZM-1 and you record anywhere
>
> you like (make sure your laptop has a quiet fan)
>
>
>
> All best,
>
>
>
> Florian

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Thanks for the feedback!

I will have a look into this microphone as soon as being available...

Best,

Stefan

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> www.grond.at[1]
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 12:00 PM, <sursound-***@music.vt.edu> wrote:
>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. Re: Looking for mic advice (Eduardo Patricio)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>>
>> Message: 1
>>
>> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 13:36:07 +0200
>>
>> From: Eduardo Patricio <***@zylia.pl>
>>
>> To: Surround Sound discussion group <***@music.vt.edu>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Looking for mic advice
>>
>> Message-ID: <400EBA2B-D3C3-4124-8506-***@zylia.pl>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>>
>>
>> Hi Stefan
>>
>>
>>
>> The microphone will soon be shipped to Indie gogo backers. Distribution to
>>
>> stores in Europe and the US will follow.
>>
>> And the company certainly has plans to develop other models. Thanks for
>>
>> your suggestion.
>>
>>
>>
>> In the mean time, this short tutorial brings an audio recording + a
>>
>> reference video to showcase a possible 360 mixing workflow. You can check
>>
>> some possibilities of manipulation of the raw 19-channel sound file from
>>
>> the ZM-1.
>>
>> http://www.zylia.co/blog/create-your-own-spatial-ambisonics-mix-with-zylia
>>
>> <http://www.zylia.co/blog/create-your-own-spatial-
>>
>> ambisonics-mix-with-zylia>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Eduardo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________
>>
>> Eduardo Patr?cio
>>
>> www.eduardopatricio.com[2]
>>
>> +44 (0) 7435512479
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Stefan Schreiber <***@mail.telepac.pt>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Eduardo,
>>
>>
>>
>> (?Have you had the chance to test Zylia?s ZM-1??)
>>
>>
>>
>> a clear ?no? here.
>>
>>
>>
>> How available is your microphone in the meantime?
>>
>>
>>
>> The price is certainly v. attractive, but preordering is probably not a
>>
>> good option for most recordists on this list.
>>
>>
>> I would say that your microphone could be very interesting to ?play?
>>
>> with 2nd and 3rd order recordings and VR audio.
>>
>>
>>
>> Suggestion:
>>
>> How would it be to design a PRO version of the ZM-1 w/ better (i.e.
>>
>> non-MEMS) capsules? You have the microphone and the software, so I
>> think this
>>
>> could be an option.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Stefan
>>
>>
>>
>> - - - -
>>
>>
>>
>> Citando Eduardo Patricio <***@zylia.pl>:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>>
>>
>> Have you had the chance to test Zylia?s ZM-1?
>>
>>
>>
>> It?s a 19-capsule spherical mic. The raw file can be exported to 1st,
>>
>> 2nd and 3rd orders.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here?s some excerpts from a test I did with it in an urban park on a
>>
>> calm day (raw format exported to 1st order, ambix).
>>
>>
>>
>> https://youtu.be/hVWeP5wxEuw <https://youtu.be/hVWeP5wxEuw>   (Please,
>>
>> be aware that the levels are rather low in this recording)
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Eduardo
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________ 



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Please delete the crud before you hit send!



David



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Ok, just to give a short explanation: My last mail did of course not
arrive at sursound in the same way I was seeing both the text and the
layout when typing on my iPad. (Using my Portuguese webmail server,
being on a trip.)

However, this doesn‘t happen only to me - mails written on iOS devices
can appear quite distorted on sursound. Especially formatting seems to
get lost, in general. (So the problem is not limited to my mail server.)

The best way to debug and fix this problem (distributed between iOS,
sursound and my ISP webmail server) is very obviously to write
nothing...  🤔

Best,

Stefan

P.S.: Of course html mail might eliminate problems with different
(country) character sets as well, but we already had this discussion.

(Needless to say that these things should simply work in 2018.)

P.S.: The subject/thread was also not my choice...
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Hi Len,

it’s

http://www.zylia.co/

I tested one of the early prototypes, was impressed by their stereo decode
but underwhelmed with the beamforming decodes they offered. Now they
have updated the software to allow you to do the decoding yourself.

We pre-ordered one for the Institute of Sonology in the Hague where I work
but it hadn’t arrived before the summer holiday. I hope it’s there when I
return in September. I’m also very interested in the octomic as I do a lot
of very portable field recording - something that the Zylia isn’t so useful for!

best, Justin

Justin Bennett

***@justinbennett.nl
www.justinbennett.nl
http://jubilee-art.org/

> On 15 Aug 2018, at 18:00, sursound-***@music.vt.edu wrote:
>
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 12:13:19 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Len Moskowitz <***@optonline.net>
> To: Sursound List <***@music.vt.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Looking for mic advice
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> Eduardo Patricio wrote:
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>
>> The microphone will soon be shipped to Indie gogo backers.
>> Distribution to stores in Europe and the US will follow.
>
>
>
> I couldn't find the basic specifications (frequency response, self
> noise) for this microphone. Could you point us to a web page that has
> them, please?
>
>
>
>
>
> Len Moskowitz
> Core Sound LLC
> www.core-sound.com
> Home of OctoMic and TetraMic
Len Moskowitz
2018-10-03 02:03:56 UTC
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Jonathan Kawchuk wrote:



> Has anyone checked out the Nevaton VR microphone
> ? Incredibly low self-noise if
> you are looking to do nature recording. Curious what the spatial
> resolution
> will be like and what calibration looks like.


We heard on the Facebook groups from Nevaton's customers that Nevaton
doesn't plan to provide any software, nor to provide any calibration
information for this microphone.


That's incredible if it's true.


Spatial resolution, at best, will be first-order. And that's only if
they got the electro-mechanical design and the calibration right.





Len Moskowitz (***@core-sound.com)
Core Sound LLC
www.core-sound.com
Home of OctoMic and TetraMic
Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2018-10-03 06:28:07 UTC
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On 10/02/2018 07:03 PM, Len Moskowitz wrote:
> Jonathan Kawchuk wrote:
>
>> Has anyone checked out the Nevaton VR microphone
>> ? Incredibly low self-noise if
>> you are looking to do nature recording. Curious what the spatial
>> resolution will be like and what calibration looks like.
>
> We heard on the Facebook groups from Nevaton's customers that Nevaton
> doesn't plan to provide any software, nor to provide any calibration
> information for this microphone.
>
> That's incredible if it's true.

Yes, very weird indeed. Do you have a URL for those comments?

Maybe they are just seeing what kind of response they get from the
announcement before investing more in the product? Or assume that anyone
really interested would be able to measure and calibrate it? Or maybe it
includes matrixing and filters and outputs B format directly? (unlikely...)

Speculation only. We have to wait to hear from them...

> Spatial resolution, at best, will be first-order. And that's only if
> they got the electro-mechanical design and the calibration right.

From the pictures it looks like a basic tetrahedral design. If the
capsules are cardioid (I imagine they would not get that wrong, I can
see the vents in the back of the capsules in one of the pictures) then
the microphone should get first order patterns at low and mid
frequencies even with just a static A to B matrix (the theoretical one).
It might even be great if they really really match the capsules.
Otherwise they will need to compensate for uneven gains in the A to B
matrix. Not too hard.

Above the transition frequency (depends on the radius of the array) they
will need correction filters and proper measurements to calculate them
to have a reasonable flat frequency response.

-- Fernando
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